We almost never won at Hoover, but I was able to wrestle, play football, and be in band. So I had that going for me, which is nice.
We almost never won at Hoover, but I was able to wrestle, play football, and be in band. So I had that going for me, which is nice.
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So Dowling has won 40 state championships in total?
By my count Valley has won 73. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_High_School_(West_Des_Moines,_Iowa)
IC West has 61: https://www.iowacityschools.org/sit...einstanceid=28282&dataid=38664&FileName=State Championships.docx 2.pdf
Waukee has: 15 (I think) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukee_High_School#Athletics
Johnston: 4 in baseball (all I could find) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnston_High_School
Ankeny: Over 60 (the board in the picture has 8 squares of 8 rows, all filled last time I drove by) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankeny_Community_School_District#Athletics
SEP: 11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Polk_Community_School_District#High_school_activities
Urbandale: 24 https://www.j-hawks.com/hof/Team_Champs/index
Bettendorf: 55 http://bhs.bettendorf.k12.ia.us/extracurricular/athletics
So again, we come back to Dowling may currently be the dominant team in football, but overall, not so much.
I got you:
So Dowling has won 40 state championships in total?
By my count Valley has won 73. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_High_School_(West_Des_Moines,_Iowa)
IC West has 61: https://www.iowacityschools.org/sit...einstanceid=28282&dataid=38664&FileName=State Championships.docx 2.pdf
Waukee has: 15 (I think) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukee_High_School#Athletics
Johnston: 4 in baseball (all I could find) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnston_High_School
Ankeny: Over 60 (the board in the picture has 8 squares of 8 rows, all filled last time I drove by) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankeny_Community_School_District#Athletics
SEP: 11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Polk_Community_School_District#High_school_activities
Urbandale: 24 https://www.j-hawks.com/hof/Team_Champs/index
Bettendorf: 55 http://bhs.bettendorf.k12.ia.us/extracurricular/athletics
So again, we come back to Dowling may currently be the dominant team in football, but overall, not so much.
How far back are you going here, looking at Ankeny most of those were before they were split into two schools. How many have they won since. Urbandale are listing bowling and dance. How are they doing in the major sports, 3 in baseball, that is about it.
We can not fix anything with Dowling and Valley, they will always be good, for a variety of reasons. But we can make the rest of the private schools play up a class. No more Dav. Assumption playing 3A baseball, or IC Regina 1A in football. Holy Trinity 1A in Volleyball. The list goes on, move them up one class, and let them compete.
Dowling has been on a great run in football, but if you look across the entire athletic department they are not tops overall. The usual suspect public schools are at the top of the heap. Here are the DSM register all sports rankings for the last two years.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AhAB&usg=AOvVaw3WFSv0NeFbAXuHNok_TwRV&cf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AxAB&usg=AOvVaw331qU_0ZQ3mc-LK1KwK-6a&cf=1
Waukee, Valley, and IC West are ahead of Dowling both years. Johnston and Dowling flip flopped year to year. Ames, Cedar Falls, Pleasant Valley, and Centennial aren't that far behind either.
I don't think Dowling is a huge problem. The big suburban schools have twice the enrollment, way better facilities, and plenty of parent money. Dowling is just another one of the haves, they aren't an outlier. I think the bigger issues are occurring in the smaller classes where the top public schools aren't much larger than the privates, and may not have the money you see in the burbs. In these cases I can see a multiplier helping out quite a bit.
Honest question, I don't know the answer, do the private school spend any of their resources educating at risk and special needs children? I'm sure for the DSM school system this is quite a financial expenditure. I know two teachers personally, they do outstanding work, in often difficult and emotional circumstances.
People in here are using the word "recruit" in a very foolish way. You think you know what's going on because you want to think that but it doesn't make it true. Parents with choices want the best for their kids, whether that's in sports or otherwise. I went to a Catholic school and there were non-Catholics there. Their parents must have thought it was a better environment for them regardless of faith. If there is a magnet school for STEM I'd bet the kids with the most interest/skill in STEM would apply to go there. Does that mean the magnet school recruited them? Why do you all assume if a teenager is good at sports somehow the private school meets with them in a dark alley and gets them into the school. Athletics don't really make money in HS yet that student still costs money. Most private schools don't have the cash to throw around scholarships for athletics. Hell, in my school, a future pro-athlete had to sweep the gym after games because that was his work study duty to help with tuition..
I have the first hand knowledge of several situations from the people actually doing the recruiting. It happens.
Describe what? You want names and schools? Won't give you that, though one school rhymes with Fouling and involves "tuition assistance" for playing various sports.Describe them for us.
Describe what? You want names and schools? Won't give you that, though one school rhymes with Fouling and involves "tuition assistance" for playing various sports.
People in here are using the word "recruit" in a very foolish way. You think you know what's going on because you want to think that but it doesn't make it true. Parents with choices want the best for their kids, whether that's in sports or otherwise. I went to a Catholic school and there were non-Catholics there. Their parents must have thought it was a better environment for them regardless of faith. If there is a magnet school for STEM I'd bet the kids with the most interest/skill in STEM would apply to go there. Does that mean the magnet school recruited them? Why do you all assume if a teenager is good at sports somehow the private school meets with them in a dark alley and gets them into the school. Athletics don't really make money in HS yet that student still costs money. Most private schools don't have the cash to throw around scholarships for athletics. Hell, in my school, a future pro-athlete had to sweep the gym after games because that was his work study duty to help with tuition.
If my kid is is awesome at football and I can afford to send them to Dowling why wouldn't I? That's not recruiting. And I think a lot of you think it is.
My HS didn't have a special needs program other than what classroom teachers could handle on their own. We didn't have the resources or expertise to handle students with severe disabilities. Students with behavior issues rarely got accepted, and two were kicked out over my four years there. This is a problem overall because public schools are required to take the most "expensive" kids, regardless of issues. Just look at the special "title" teachers in poor schools vs rich schools.
Agreed, my private school growing up (1A school) was more concerned 'recruiting' kids so the school didn't close - not for an athletic basis. Do the top few private schools push the envelope a bit - likely... but pushing every private school up a level is a bad idea... we very easily could have gone winless in basketball in 2A as we did in 1A.
Describe them for us.
Agreed, my private school growing up (1A school) was more concerned 'recruiting' kids so the school didn't close - not for an athletic basis. Do the top few private schools push the envelope a bit - likely... but pushing every private school up a level is a bad idea... we very easily could have gone winless in basketball in 2A as we did in 1A.
Er, recruiting most definitely happens. My daughter was recruited by two private schools for volleyball and softball. Tours, scholarships, everything. If she didn't outright refuse to go to a school that makes her pray, she'd be at one right now.People in here are using the word "recruit" in a very foolish way. You think you know what's going on because you want to think that but it doesn't make it true. Parents with choices want the best for their kids, whether that's in sports or otherwise. I went to a Catholic school and there were non-Catholics there. Their parents must have thought it was a better environment for them regardless of faith. If there is a magnet school for STEM I'd bet the kids with the most interest/skill in STEM would apply to go there. Does that mean the magnet school recruited them? Why do you all assume if a teenager is good at sports somehow the private school meets with them in a dark alley and gets them into the school. Athletics don't really make money in HS yet that student still costs money. Most private schools don't have the cash to throw around scholarships for athletics. Hell, in my school, a future pro-athlete had to sweep the gym after games because that was his work study duty to help with tuition.
If my kid is is awesome at football and I can afford to send them to Dowling why wouldn't I? That's not recruiting. And I think a lot of you think it is.
My HS didn't have a special needs program other than what classroom teachers could handle on their own. We didn't have the resources or expertise to handle students with severe disabilities. Students with behavior issues rarely got accepted, and two were kicked out over my four years there. This is a problem overall because public schools are required to take the most "expensive" kids, regardless of issues. Just look at the special "title" teachers in poor schools vs rich schools.
Er, recruiting most definitely happens. My daughter was recruited by two private schools for volleyball and softball. Tours, scholarships, everything. If she didn't outright refuse to go to a school that makes her pray, she'd be at one right now.
Er, recruiting most definitely happens. My daughter was recruited by two private schools for volleyball and softball. Tours, scholarships, everything. If she didn't outright refuse to go to a school that makes her pray, she'd be at one right now.
I'm not doubting this, I'm saying private schools do not give out athletic scholarships. The donors to these schools usually intend for their dollars to help lower income kids or kids who otherwise couldn't go.