Jerome Tang not getting good ROI for Hawkins

[Sigmapolis]

I don't think there's anything nefarious or underhanded about coaches showing one another "professional courtesy" when speaking about other coaches and other basketball programs.

Coaches are professional networkers. Making friends good. Making enemies bad. You never know when you might be working with a guy or a position where you need to ask him for a favor.

Sometimes guys with good and close relationships will tease each other (e.g., seems like Self said some teasing things after the ISU/KU game, etc.) but otherwise you have nothing to gain and plenty of things to lose if you decide to go out in a press conference and start badmouthing a colleague like that.

So, no, I don't read much of anything into what these coaches say about one another.

 

[isucy86]

Paging Kim Tang…

Sounds like the Cats found their next coach.

 

[8bitnes]

I remember when Big XII coaches spoke highly of Greg McDermott every week. Scott's just doing a little job security

They did the same with prohm too

 

[Statefan10]

I've never heard of the opposing coach visiting the locker room before.

Zero sympathy for these losers. K-State fans I've met in-person have been great folks, similar to your run-of-the-mill ISU fan, but their vocal online contingent is one of the worst fanbases I've ever encountered.

Coach K did this quite a few times and it's gotta be incredibly patronizing as a player to hear.

 

[nfrine]

Tang will never invite TJ into the locker room. Too many spies, And TJ might flex and hurt some folks.

 

[NorthCyd]

I don't know why anyone would think Scott Drew is being anything but genuine when it comes to Tang. They coached together for 19 years. I'm guessing they get along pretty well and Scott does, in fact, hope the best for Tang. It makes me seriously question Drew's judge of character, but I do think he's being genuine.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I don't know why anyone would think Scott Drew is being anything but genuine when it comes to Tang. They coached together for 19 years. I'm guessing they get along pretty well and Scott does, in fact, hope the best for Tang. It makes me seriously question Drew's judge of character, but I do think he's being genuine.

Well he coaches for Baylor... not like he resigned in protest when the Rape U scandal broke.

 

[Billups06]

I don't know why anyone would think Scott Drew is being anything but genuine when it comes to Tang. They coached together for 19 years. I'm guessing they get along pretty well and Scott does, in fact, hope the best for Tang. It makes me seriously question Drew's judge of character, but I do think he's being genuine.

Heck, Drew came into Iowa State's locker room in 2014, to offer congratulations, after we had just beaten UNC to reach the sweet 16.

 

[intrepid27]

I remember when Big XII coaches spoke highly of Greg McDermott every week. Scott's just doing a little job security

Same thing with Dan McCarney. Other conference coaches used to rave about what a great guy Dan was. I always chalked it up to wanting to keep him around for a sure W.

 

[cyfanatic]

Same thing with Dan McCarney. Other conference coaches used to rave about what a great guy Dan was. I always chalked it up to wanting to keep him around for a sure W.

Iowa as well...remember being told 100s of times from Hawk fans that DMac was the greatest we could ever get so we needed to hold on to him!

 

[Sigmapolis]

Iowa as well...remember being told 100s of times from Hawk fans that DMac was the greatest we could ever get so we needed to hold on to him!

...were they wrong?

McCarney did a great job in hindsight considering where he started.

He started to fade out near the end, but I don't think you could make a serious case that Chizik or Rhoads were better coaches than McCarney. Campbell? Bruce? Maybe Majors? Sure.

But Danny Mac is no worse than fourth and maybe more like second or first.

 

[cyfanatic]

...were they wrong?

McCarney did a great job in hindsight considering where he started.

He started to fade out near the end, but I don't think you could make a serious case that Chizik or Rhoads were better coaches than McCarney. Campbell? Bruce? Maybe Majors? Sure.

But Danny Mac is no worse than fourth and maybe more like second or first.

I didn't say he didn't do a good job in Ames...but he was far from great! Iowa fans tried to convince us that 6 and 5 was our ceiling!

 

[VeloClone]

I've never heard of the opposing coach visiting the locker room before.

Zero sympathy for these losers. K-State fans I've met in-person have been great folks, similar to your run-of-the-mill ISU fan, but their vocal online contingent is one of the worst fanbases I've ever encountered.

That kind of thing happened a lot more 60+ years ago. After Gary Thompson and ISU upset Wilt and the Miracles Chamberlain came over to the ISU lockerroom to congratulate the team and speak with Gary. Back when the stars appreciated other stars and guys in the sport were gentlemen in victory and defeat.

Other than Drew it seems like those kinds of signs of respect are pretty rare. Off the top of my head I can only think of Buddy Hield inviting Georges Niang to join him in his post game interview with Holly after OU beat ISU in the Big 12 Tourney.

 

[ISU_Guy]

why do we always play K-state on the road on senior night last game?
Tang may not even be coaching by then I guess.

 

[VeloClone]

why do we always play K-state on the road on senior night last game?
Tang may not even be coaching by then I guess.

Our luck Tang will get pink slipped right before our game and the players will play out of their minds trying to "win one for the mopper."

 

[Big_Sill]

I've always said you don't want a coach other teams love. You want a guy other teams hate. Coaches you love are usually losers.

Tang has found a unique position of being a loser and still being justifiably hated...quite the accomplishment

 

[Sigmapolis]

I didn't say he didn't do a good job in Ames...but he was far from great! Iowa fans tried to convince us that 6 and 5 was our ceiling!

At the time they might have been right enough considering the yawning canyon between Iowa St. and most of our peers in the Big Eight/Big 12 and the other "BCS conference" schools.

We've come a long way in closing the gaps in facilities, stadium quality, fanbase size and quality, a tradition of winning, and placing guys in the NFL compared to McCarney in the late 90s.

McCarney himself is a big reason all those underlying conditions that more or less define the upper bound of the "possible" for Iowa St. have changed from "7-5" all the way to 11 wins.

Very different world now when Matt Campbell leads a team onto the field in the Big 12 (of 16) compared to what McCarney faced when he coached the Cyclones in the last Big Eight year in 1995.

I don't think we disagree about anything here, though. I wanted to take the opportunity to muse on just how difficult McCarney really had it at first and then remember how far the program has come.

 

[CychiatricWard]

...were they wrong?

McCarney did a great job in hindsight considering where he started.

He started to fade out near the end, but I don't think you could make a serious case that Chizik or Rhoads were better coaches than McCarney. Campbell? Bruce? Maybe Majors? Sure.

But Danny Mac is no worse than fourth and maybe more like second or first.

He certainly isn’t first. Campbell has that and it’s becoming a wider margin by the day. Multiple big bowl wins, a regular season championship (I know it doesn’t technically exist but Christ we had the best record against all teams), a conference championship ship game appearance and now an 11 win season.

 

[FarmerCy1]

I've never heard of the opposing coach visiting the locker room before.

Zero sympathy for these losers. K-State fans I've met in-person have been great folks, similar to your run-of-the-mill ISU fan, but their vocal online contingent is one of the worst fanbases I've ever encountered.

Pretty sure Drew stuck his head into the ISU locker room during the Hoiberg years- I think once during a B12 tournament, and once after the UAB debacle

 

[8bitnes]

I didn't say he didn't do a good job in Ames...but he was far from great! Iowa fans tried to convince us that 6 and 5 was our ceiling!

Was this before, after, or during the stretch in which he won five straight over them?