The Fran Fade has started

[1TwistedCyclone]

Are there any potential former Hawkeye players that would come in and elevate the program? Dean Oliver has quite a bit of experience as an assistant, and has been at Wisconsin for 8 years, but would Iowa gamble on a first time head coach? It worked for the Cyclones with Hoiberg, but I am not sure there is that level of love and understanding in Hawkeye-land

 

[Tailg8er]

And just because it is a fact, so what? Why is it relevant?

Because they were discussing what would make him want to take the Iowa job over West Virginia. Being a casual t-shirt fan often doesn't have as much of a pull as being an actual graduate does (NOT ALWAYS THE CASE before illini ******* jumps down my throat).

And as others have mentioned, there's a big difference between a tavern Clone & tavern hawk, particularly those over ~30 years old. It's one thing to latch yourself to a perennial loser, and quite another to hop on the bandwagon of a dominant team.

 

[Statefan10]

Regardless of how bad it is …or gets. With the portal, today it is much less of a rebuild. Bring a couple with you, bring in 3 or 4 difference makers and wham a good coach can completely remake a team and win in the first year….(see Devires this year).
All you have to do is review what he did against ISU last Saturday.
Watch Devires actions on the bench…..he put his whole season on the line for this game. Pretty sure his idea to have the Jerry west program for our game, he wanted all the juice on his side. Why ??? Because he is a tavern hawk of the worst kind…. Didn’t attend EIU, and with a brother playing for old raisin face himself… you know he grew up hating ISU.
And, with that win he became the instant hero among all the Sukeye ass kissin media in the state, he has been the talk of all sports talk in the state all week.

We were the highest ranked team in the conference coming into the season so it did make sense for this to be the one they added all the bells and whistles to. WVU isn't some garbage team either they are actually pretty good although they did severely catch the case of a trap game when not even showing up for Arizona State the other night.

We shot the worst we have in two years and still were in position to win. Oh well. I'd love to get them in Hilton because that game would be an ass kicking. Hope we see them in KC.

 

[CascadeClone]

My favorite part of these fan-site forums is the gatekeeping between fans that are ostensibly on the same side.

OH I SAY GOOD SIR! OOOH, HARUMPH!!

 

[GoHawks]

You're not wrong on the SEC. I would say maybe look at the ACC though. He's a Clemson grad. That conference is pure garbage.

It's really fallen off a cliff. North Carolina and Syracuse not being good kills it. Clemson brownell is safe he just got them to s16 so can't see wade going there. Ironically I like another Acc coach Steve Forbes as iowa candidate too

 

[CydeofFries]

I've watched a lot of Drake basketball the last couple of years. This year Drake is a good mid major team, but with Devries they were a good basketball team, to the point where I think (at least last year) would have been a tournament team even in a high major. And until McCollum shows he is able to get better talent, I wouldn't want him at a high major.

The problem Iowa is going to have, and why I don't think Devries would leave for them, is the apathy. Just hiring a new coach won't bring back the fans or support. West Virginia has been down but their down years were still better supported than what's going on in Iowa City. WVU were begging to be good again, Iowa is just begging to be football season. Any coach at WVU would have had the financial backing to get talent, they just needed a good coach to put them together.

They will find a coach who wants to move up from a lower league to a better financial situation, but their problems are deeper than Fran and a new coach won't solve that over night. You've gotta be able to convince a fan base who has been burnt by NIL ( in football) to start giving to a basketball team that hasn't been worth the pittance they've gotten. McCollum won't change that. And honestly, I think you're lying to yourself if you think Devries would have gotten that support at Iowa coming from Drake. It's only now he's proven that he can do it at a high major that they think he would have been supported

 

[RonBurgundy]

The fact that you became a fan while we were awful makes you not a fake fan. The biggest gripe I have about Iowa fans is that it seems to fit hand in glove that a vocal majority of them that talks the most **** about Iowa State didn't attend the university.

This^^

I am the perfect example. My dad attended UNI, but was a huge hok fan. Not surprisingly, he influenced my brother and I to be hok fans growing up. I grew up cheering for the twin towers of Krafsisin and Waite. Then Raisin Face started to get it rolling in the early 1980's. These were dark days for ISU fans. I then decided to attend ISU in 1985 and have literally taken **** from my dad and uncle (who attended Coe) the last 40 years. But **** them, I am 100% Cyclone through and through.

I would never characterize my dad as a tavern hawk, but I have seen thousands over the years. We can all spot them.

So if you became a Cyclone fan during the dark days, no one considers you a fake fan, and there is no reason to get angry here.

 

[Statefan10]

It's really fallen off a cliff. North Carolina and Syracuse not being good kills it. Clemson brownell is safe he just got them to s16 so can't see wade going there. Ironically I like another Acc coach Steve Forbes as iowa candidate too

Steve Forbes would make more sense, however, he hasn't done anything at Wake in his previous 4 seasons. I know they're having a fine year so far, but I'll credit that partially to how bad the ACC is. The next two games for them will be a good indicator.

But I also don't think Iowa is going to be able to get a guy from a P6 conference that's currently succeeding. Iowa is not a school that's going to be able to pull someone away. If I had to put money on it right now, I think McCollum will be the next coach for Iowa. Will it be next season? We'll have to wait and see on that. If Iowa tanks and only wins a couple more, I think they pull the trigger. If Iowa is on the bubble either way, I do not think they fire Fran and I do not think he's walking away from the job.

 

[goody2012]

Right but as we are seeing Iowa is basically at rock bottom and if they keep Fran who is gonna wanna come in to clean the mess? Maybe DeVries but oof. He might have WVU rolling by then.

These days isn't every job basically just a rebuild from scratch. There are two guys from last year's WVU rosters on this year's roster.

 

[Messi]

Are there any potential former Hawkeye players that would come in and elevate the program? Dean Oliver has quite a bit of experience as an assistant, and has been at Wisconsin for 8 years, but would Iowa gamble on a first time head coach? It worked for the Cyclones with Hoiberg, but I am not sure there is that level of love and understanding in Hawkeye-land

dean oliver now runs a prep school in iowa

 

[1TwistedCyclone]

dean oliver now runs a prep school in iowa

That's pretty cool! I was unaware of that. Probably a better gig than head coach in Iowa City!

 

[Statefan10]

This^^

I am the perfect example. My dad attended UNI, but was a huge hok fan. Not surprisingly, he influenced my brother and I to be hok fans growing up. I grew up cheering for the twin towers of Krafsisin and Waite. Then Raisin Face started to get it rolling in the early 1980's. These were dark days for ISU fans. I then decided to attend ISU in 1985 and have literally taken **** from my dad and uncle (who attended Coe) the last 40 years. But **** them, I am 100% Cyclone through and through.

I would never characterize my dad as a tavern hawk, but I have seen thousands over the years. We can all spot them.

So if you became a Cyclone fan during the dark days, no one considers you a fake fan, and there is no reason to get angry here.

Definitely agree. Where I grew up, there were not many Iowa State fans but for the ones that were, their parents went there. Meanwhile, all of my friends and some relatives were Iowa fans and almost none of them went to Iowa. Don't get me wrong, I understand you can be a fan of whoever you want to be, but the issue is the superiority complex in which they portray themselves.

And funny enough, where I'm at now, there are still a lot of Iowa fans and most of them never went to the university but still act like they did. I can't tell you how annoying it is to hear from someone "Lames, Iowa sucks, Iowa City is sooo much better." Yeah I don't hold their opinion relevant. What's interesting is a couple of my best friends actually went to the University of Iowa and they're the most level headed. It's astounding how much better they are.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Fran is not going to fix the problem. He is the problem.

Iowa needs to build up fan interest and some buzz. Right now they have neither, no one cares. If I was her, I would look for either a big name to make a big splash, or else a tireless enthusiastic younger guy from nowhere. My ISU comps would be Johnny Orr for the former and Danny Mac for the latter. IDK if she could afford any big name, even if one had interest in doing a turnaround from where they are at now. Really think they need to find a high energy young guy somewhere in the midwest.

I don't think Fran is going to change, but it makes it a lot easier with their fan base if she gives him another year to try and fix the problem. What big fish is going to want the EIU job, and even if they could find the guy, there is no money to buy out Fran and then turn around and pay the new guy the $5 or $6 million its going to take to get the big name. So they are going to be forced to hire the up and coming coach, that was successful at the lower levels and hope he can do the job.

ISU lucked into getting Orr, we wanted his asst. and when they were talking about his salary, Orr became interested when he found out we were willing to pay the asst. more than what Orr was making at Michigan.

BB is different from football that you only need a few players to turn a program around, and it can be done fairly quickly. Its easy to see with the right coach, EIU will start moving money away from their WBB and towards the MBB if they get the right guy. Now that is not going to happen as long as Fran is there, the scars are too deep for him to ever recover baring a final four appearance or something like that.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Are there any potential former Hawkeye players that would come in and elevate the program? Dean Oliver has quite a bit of experience as an assistant, and has been at Wisconsin for 8 years, but would Iowa gamble on a first time head coach? It worked for the Cyclones with Hoiberg, but I am not sure there is that level of love and understanding in Hawkeye-land

Jeff Horner has been good but not great at Truman State. Gatens has been on Fran's bench for the last few years but I can't imagine they give him the job.

 

[CyCity]

Jeff Horner has been good but not great at Truman State. Gatens has been on Fran's bench for the last few years but I can't imagine they give him the job.

Horner would be a definite no for a variety of reasons.

 

[SeventhSon]

Jeff Horner has been good but not great at Truman State. Gatens has been on Fran's bench for the last few years but I can't imagine they give him the job.

Hiring Gatens would be the least inspiring, laziest hire possible. Woof...

Beth would be risking getting fired herself for that kind of hire.

 

[cyfanatic]

The list of coaches that would want the Iowa job is long. And there will be quality coaches on that list. Iowa fans do want to win in basketball...they just don't want to win with Fran anymore. They have hired 3 straight zeros in the eyes of their fans...and those fans are right! I hate Iowa so I enjoy their MBB program being mocked...but a basketball program can be turned around quickly. All it takes is the right coach...and their AD will have plenty of solid candidates who will want that gig...but will she pick the correct one? (this is all based on this being Fran's final season, which I am not convinced it is)

 

[Statefan10]

Horner would be a definite no for a variety of reasons.

He's got some major issues to say the least

 

[BigTurk]

Definitely agree. Where I grew up, there were not many Iowa State fans but for the ones that were, their parents went there. Meanwhile, all of my friends and some relatives were Iowa fans and almost none of them went to Iowa. Don't get me wrong, I understand you can be a fan of whoever you want to be, but the issue is the superiority complex in which they portray themselves.

And funny enough, where I'm at now, there are still a lot of Iowa fans and most of them never went to the university but still act like they did. I can't tell you how annoying it is to hear from someone "Lames, Iowa sucks, Iowa City is sooo much better." Yeah I don't hold their opinion relevant. What's interesting is a couple of my best friends actually went to the University of Iowa and they're the most level headed. It's astounding how much better they are.

I've shared this before, but my wife graduated from Iowa and cannot stand most Iowa fans. She thinks they are the most entitled and obnoxious people ever. Oh, she can tolerate the Iowa grads but the Tavern Hoks are the worst.

A guy from my high school who works for IDOT always post anti-ISU stuff on Facebook. All-the-time. Posts pictures of JTS when he is in town calling it a dump, etc. Yeah, he went to Wyoming Tech.

My brother, a farmer, is all Iowa. The reason? Because Iowa has ANF stickers on their helmets. That's it. Runs ISU down all the time. He went to NICC.

 

[Frak]

I've watched a lot of Drake basketball the last couple of years. This year Drake is a good mid major team, but with Devries they were a good basketball team, to the point where I think (at least last year) would have been a tournament team even in a high major. And until McCollum shows he is able to get better talent, I wouldn't want him at a high major.

The problem Iowa is going to have, and why I don't think Devries would leave for them, is the apathy. Just hiring a new coach won't bring back the fans or support. West Virginia has been down but their down years were still better supported than what's going on in Iowa City. WVU were begging to be good again, Iowa is just begging to be football season. Any coach at WVU would have had the financial backing to get talent, they just needed a good coach to put them together.

They will find a coach who wants to move up from a lower league to a better financial situation, but their problems are deeper than Fran and a new coach won't solve that over night. You've gotta be able to convince a fan base who has been burnt by NIL ( in football) to start giving to a basketball team that hasn't been worth the pittance they've gotten. McCollum won't change that. And honestly, I think you're lying to yourself if you think Devries would have gotten that support at Iowa coming from Drake. It's only now he's proven that he can do it at a high major that they think he would have been supported

Apathy is a short term thing. All it takes is some hope and that starts turning around. Look at what they did in WBB. Two good years and they are selling out games.

It does not take much for hawk fans to start thinking they are the best team in the country. A couple wins, a big time recruit, then they think they're on to the final 4. There's no hope now, but they will jump on board like crazy the second a few good things start to happen.