*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Texas Tech Game(Day) Thread ***

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i had to go back and watch.. it was 4 straight but 2 of them were from Anderson who had to double clutch after he jumped because Heise was there to block the shot, actually.

The first one he got pushed too far down the lane, trying not to foul, but he did contest the shot well:
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Here's the second one - no idea how Anderson made this shot:

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And lots of people are going to have a hard time stopping Williams there. A LOT.

Anderson's shot was like Jordan vs. Cavs style. A certain CF segment will say Heise should have just stayed in the air longer.

Pretty sure these are the same people that think players choose if their shot falls or not.
 
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That second one was a bullet. If he had been off target a couple inches, it would have ended up past the 3-point line.
That kid looked like a lottery pick in that game - and with the way Fran talked about him - I was wondering why I missed him in looking at the stats before the game, that's very much NOT how he's played all year. He's averaging 8ppg and has been wildly inconsistent. His last 5 games are 20-2-13-2-18 points scored. He was 0-5 from three in their previous win @ Utah, and fouled out in ~20 minutes with only 2 pts in their home loss to UCF.

Freshmen will freshman - but we definitely got his best game. They are much more dangerous of a team when he plays like that
 

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And lots of people are going to have a hard time stopping Williams there. A LOT.

Anderson's shot was like Jordan vs. Cavs style. A certain CF segment will say Heise should have just stayed in the air longer.

Pretty sure these are the same people that think players choose if their shot falls or not.
The other angle showed Heise already by the block location. I think he was not trying to block it, but rather to distract (which didn't work). Not sure if he was in foul trouble at that point, but I believe that was in play.
 
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And lots of people are going to have a hard time stopping Williams there. A LOT.
Rewatching the game and that was the only basket down low that Heise gave up to Williams. All the other attempts Williams took around the hoop with Heise guarding him, made him look like first year Rob Jones. I think it was Jefferson that Williams took down low and also scored on him so there's that. Heise is a problem in his own way for people to score on. He probably irritates players more than you think because they feel like they should be able to score on him, but they struggle to.
 

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Maybe this is just me, but it seemed like a lot of the misses Saturday were missed short. Not sure if this means anything other than some tired legs, but i found it interesting
 
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The Net Rankings are really frustrating When you look at Q1 and Q2 resumes Iowa State should be 2. We should absolutely be in front of Houston ,Tennessee, and Florida. The algorithm is such a freaking mystery because it seems like they make tweaks to it ever year. This year it seems to be over valuing Q3 wins or at least that's all I can come up with. It's going t be really hard for the Clones to get in front of Tennessee and Florida if things stay the course because the SEC resumes are LOADED with Q1 games.


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I was wondering about this too recently. Houston is high in kenpom and torvik because those metrics don't actually care if you win or lose, they look at what was the expected result and how did you do in comparison?

This page from NCAA themselves says explicitly that NET factors in "game results":


Who knows what that means exactly, but I would interpret that statement as "whether the game was categorically won or lost is included explicitly as data". That is not the case for kenpom and torvik, at least as far as my understanding of those algorithms goes.

All this to say, it's odd to me in the current NET rankings a team that's 0-3 vs. Q1 is ranked so high among teams with 4+ Q1 wins and fewer losses.

Houston really doesn't have an impressive win against a "good" team yet. They have a lot of blowouts against bad-to-decent teams though. Their best win so far is probably home vs. BYU, who is #47 in kenpom and #48 in NET currently.
 

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I was wondering about this too recently. Houston is high in kenpom and torvik because those metrics don't actually care if you win or lose, they look at what was the expected result and how did you do in comparison?

This page from NCAA themselves says explicitly that NET factors in "game results":


Who knows what that means exactly, but I would interpret that statement as "whether the game was categorically won or lost is included explicitly as data". That is not the case for kenpom and torvik, at least as far as my understanding of those algorithms goes.

All this to say, it's odd to me in the current NET rankings a team that's 0-3 vs. Q1 is ranked so high among teams with 4+ Q1 wins and fewer losses.

Houston really doesn't have an impressive win against a "good" team yet. They have a lot of blowouts against bad-to-decent teams though. Their best win so far is probably home vs. BYU, who is #47 in kenpom and #48 in NET currently.
This graphic shows the two factors they use for the NET ranking system.

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The team value index is what factors in the results based side of the equation, but its a total black box so there is no way to know exactly how the "win" part is factored in. Given the NET Rankings end up looking an awful lot like Kenpom my assumption is not much.
 

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Forgot to comment until now but that was arguably the most impressive win I've ever seen from a Cyclones team.

First of all, that Texas Tech team is really good and that environment in that arena (whatever it's called now, used to be Spirit Arena or something like that so I'll stick with that) is intimidating yet Iowa State would not let Texas Tech get too far ahead despite them seemingly sinking every freaking 3 pointer lathering up that raucous crowd and just not allowing the Clones to get the lead or even when they did it was brief. They kept their composure despite all that ratcheted up the defense then made every single clutch play when it mattered.

This team has all the ingredients needed to be a Champion, a far more balanced team than last year with Jefferson, a guy they can go to down low, being the main difference.
They're going to lose some games in conference because it's a long season and it's a really tough league to win games in on the road but there's not one team in the country I'd go to war with in a tourney format over this team. I think we should cherish this season because this is a once in a lifetime team for a program like this so lets enjoy this ride.
 

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Maybe this is just me, but it seemed like a lot of the misses Saturday were missed short. Not sure if this means anything other than some tired legs, but i found it interesting
Missing short has particularly been a problem for Heise. If the staff can pinpoint and fix that problem, he can turn into a scoring machine overnight. Opponents don't commit much defensive pressure to him (which is why he regularly gets those back-cut layup type plays once or twice a game, too -- he disappears off defense radar).
 

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Missing short has particularly been a problem for Heise. If the staff can pinpoint and fix that problem, he can turn into a scoring machine overnight. Opponents don't commit much defensive pressure to him (which is why he regularly gets those back-cut layup type plays once or twice a game, too -- he disappears off defense radar).

Some of that can be adjusting to shooting in much larger arenas. If you've never shot in a place like Hilton, I don't know how to explain it but the depth perception just makes things feel different.
 

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Forgot to comment until now but that was arguably the most impressive win I've ever seen from a Cyclones team.

First of all, that Texas Tech team is really good and that environment in that arena (whatever it's called now, used to be Spirit Arena or something like that so I'll stick with that) is intimidating yet Iowa State would not let Texas Tech get too far ahead despite them seemingly sinking every freaking 3 pointer lathering up that raucous crowd and just not allowing the Clones to get the lead or even when they did it was brief. They kept their composure despite all that ratcheted up the defense then made every single clutch play when it mattered.

This team has all the ingredients needed to be a Champion, a far more balanced team than last year with Jefferson, a guy they can go to down low, being the main difference.
They're going to lose some games in conference because it's a long season and it's a really tough league to win games in on the road but there's not one team in the country I'd go to war with in a tourney format over this team. I think we should cherish this season because this is a once in a lifetime team for a program like this so lets enjoy this ride.

And another thing about TT, is their coach seems likable.
 

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Some of that can be adjusting to shooting in much larger arenas. If you've never shot in a place like Hilton, I don't know how to explain it but the depth perception just makes things feel different.
I think it's also similar to the phenomenon that 1st year transfers almost always shoot worse on the FT line than they did previously - which I have said previously I think has to do with the defensive intensity and focus, they are just so physically and mentally taxed from the defensive focus that their FT (and sometimes shooting) suffer.

it seems to often recover in the second year.
 

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As dodgy as it seems like we are on free throws sometimes this year so far, we are a good bit better this year (75.0% on 24.5 attempts per game) vs. last (69.7% on 21.1 attempts per game). That's almost +4 points per game from the line.
 
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I think it's also similar to the phenomenon that 1st year transfers almost always shoot worse on the FT line than they did previously - which I have said previously I think has to do with the defensive intensity and focus, they are just so physically and mentally taxed from the defensive focus that their FT (and sometimes shooting) suffer.

it seems to often recover in the second year.

There's also a reason why 3 point shooting percentages typically dip significantly in the Final Four and Championship game. Those football stadiums have to be a complete depth perception mind f***.
 
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Some of that can be adjusting to shooting in much larger arenas. If you've never shot in a place like Hilton, I don't know how to explain it but the depth perception just makes things feel different.
Eh. He had big games in the Valley tournament at Enterprise Center and UNI played in several other NBA and large arenas when he was there and he didn't have a problem. Plus there are a couple Valley buildings with deep backgrounds (Bradley, Evansville, Indiana State) and he was just fine there.

It's adjusting to the new league and a new role. He'll be fine and if he keeps defending and rebounding at the level he is now, any offense is a bonus.
 

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Rewatching the game and that was the only basket down low that Heise gave up to Williams. All the other attempts Williams took around the hoop with Heise guarding him, made him look like first year Rob Jones. I think it was Jefferson that Williams took down low and also scored on him so there's that. Heise is a problem in his own way for people to score on. He probably irritates players more than you think because they feel like they should be able to score on him, but they struggle to.
I have noticed this with Heise as well. Oftentimes he will come in the game and start guarding the best player on the court and said player will start demanding the ball and attempting to go 1-on-1. Usually leads to a turnover or missed shot. Seen it several times this year.