I can help thinking if OSU, KSU and UU were at the top of the league, it would help the perception since they been consistently good for a while.
Anti-Big 12 Bias: A Brief Study
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Unfortunately, literally every anti-Big 12 media influencer/personality/voter/etc. will in fact use this heavily against the Big 12. It was and still is a bad look for the Big 12.
Exactly. It’s never, ever been more important for our athletic program (and university) to root for our league mates OOC. It is critically important for our future that the Big 12 actually wins games.
There are also a lot of media people who refuse to admit they're wrong...ever.
The teams they picked to be in the bottom half (or quarter) of the Big 12 are now fighting for the conference title. That just can't be. Those teams simply can't be good now, because we didn't think they were good back in July.
And, conversely, the teams they picked to be at the top of the league are actually at the bottom. Well, we thought they were good in July and they're not, so I guess the whole league must be bad.
Another case of July opinions holding sway over November opinions, despite what happens on the field
I don't think it can be overstated how much KU underperforming so badly to start the year and then ripping through the top teams in the conference hurt the reputation of this conference. The only team with a losing record to beat 3 top 25 teams in a row. It just looks bad for KU and the conference.
I like letting computers decide. All data. An injury should never disqualify a team. This is the dumbest sport in determining a champion by far.
the problem for the big 12 is the cfp is for the elite teams. ones that distinguish themselves in conference play--that stand out from the pack. The BIG has 3 teams in PSU, OSU, and Oregon who meet that criteria. SMU and Miami also fit. Boise State is unbeaten in MW play.
The big 12 has no elite teams. one of its top teams has 3 losses, one in blowout form to a middle of the pack nebraska. There is really not one big 12 team that has a real shot at the national title this year. What big 12 team can overcome its roster defiencies and go toe to toe with Ohio State or even a down georgia?
For the sake of our staus, I hope the big 12 doesnt get left out, but this year we have no one but ourselves to blame. Letting a 3-6 kansas blitz our top 3 teams in as many weeks just killed the national perception that the big 12 has any good teams.
The big 12 has no elite teams. one of its top teams has 3 losses, one in blowout form to a middle of the pack nebraska. There is really not one big 12 team that has a real shot at the national title this year. What big 12 team can overcome its roster defiencies and go toe to toe with Ohio State or even a down georgia?
For the sake of our staus, I hope the big 12 doesnt get left out, but this year we have no one but ourselves to blame. Letting a 3-6 kansas blitz our top 3 teams in as many weeks just killed the national perception that the big 12 has any good teams.
The ultimate issue is that about 70% of the fans and talking heads want to see the "best teams" instead of the most deserving.
Imagine if MLB playoffs were determined by roster salary.
Oh the NL Central is really tough this year? Sucks.
Imagine if MLB playoffs were determined by roster salary.
Oh the NL Central is really tough this year? Sucks.
Wow. Can’t say I disagree with anything he says.
Is there already a College Football Playoff controversy? Potential bye wracking nerves with 2 weeks left — 'The data doesn’t lie'
It was presumed the four power conference champs would stand well above their competition and earn first-round byes in the 12-team playoff. With two weeks left before the first iteration of the expanded field is set, that is not the case.
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Agree. I hated letting computers decide when it was only 2 teams in the BCS days, but now that we have a 12 team playoff...
I'd like to see each power conference get one champion to send (however they want to determine it) and then the other 7-8 spots are determined by the computers.
Being undefeated in MW play shouldn’t mean much with respect to CFP. Zero chance BSU does that in B12. Probably would have a minimum of 2 losses if not more.
Also, SMU fits? BYU already beat them this season. If SMU fits, then BYU fits even more.
Also how is PSU elite? They haven’t beaten anyone significant. How do you determine they are elite? Based on what? Close game vs OSU? They also had close games vs MN and USC. They are not elite.
Yes the suits and pundits very much want the Big 12 destroyed and gone and irrelevant. There are basically 0 Big 12 “advocates” that have a voice loud enough to matter.
It would help, but there is always going to be that bias by so much of the media. I'm pretty sure the SEC tagline "it just means more" was coined by ESPN...
Kleiman is right.
The committee has proven a bias toward overall record and dismissing other metrics of quality. The Big 12 would be rational to weaken everyone's OOC schedules or go to 8 games in order to improve the conference win percentage.
This is entirely the committee's fault. They are fully empowered to penalize teams that try and schedule themselves into the CFP but then turn around and reward them for doing it. This was the entire argument for why a CFP committee was to exist in the first place, but it turns out it was just to ensure ESPN's biggest brands get a thumb on the scale.
Me: Sitting by watching huge media companies turn America's greatest sport into some kind of reality show where they know what most of the outcomes will be and just getting disillusioned by the whole thing.
Unfortunately until we see how the Big 12 teams fair in their bowl games it's either going to justify the bias or prove there was a bias. There have been years the Big 10 has just bombed in bowl games and finally people admit maybe the league was over-rated a bit that year. It's just hard to judge how good or bad teams in a conference are in a given year because when you play essentially the same familiar programs on a yearly basis and your only non-conference comparisons are the first 3 games of the year a lot happens between the non-conference and bowl games with development and some teams playing better as the season progresses.
I do think there are some schools in the Big 12 that could be sleeping giants in the Big 12 in upcoming years once they have a few recruiting cycles being part of a bigger conference to help them. UCF has a huge enrollment of nearly 70k so you wonder if that large alumni base will also keep them competitive financially. BYU and Utah already were competitive in football coming in and the 2 Arizona teams and Cincy have been at times too. I have no doubt that it will be a strong conference in basketball but I think some of these new schools added to the Big 12 could take a big step forward now that they are in a conference with more revenue and a bigger stage to play on than they were offering recruits before.
I do think there are some schools in the Big 12 that could be sleeping giants in the Big 12 in upcoming years once they have a few recruiting cycles being part of a bigger conference to help them. UCF has a huge enrollment of nearly 70k so you wonder if that large alumni base will also keep them competitive financially. BYU and Utah already were competitive in football coming in and the 2 Arizona teams and Cincy have been at times too. I have no doubt that it will be a strong conference in basketball but I think some of these new schools added to the Big 12 could take a big step forward now that they are in a conference with more revenue and a bigger stage to play on than they were offering recruits before.
All good data points.
I would love to see where ISU football is ranked after two wins (Kansas State and Big 12 Conf. Championship). One would think that would move us up several spots. Those would be two very strong wins by the statistics of it.
