Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Big ten seems less likely with ND only having 13 sports as someone posted. They would have to add quite a few non revenue sports (building facilities most likely) to enter the big ten.
Notre Dame fields 26 sports.
13 Men
13 Women

Edit: fixed the number, its 13 men and women. They play 12M, 13W in ACC, and also M hockey in B1G.

Iowa only has 8 Mens and 13 Womens.

Iowa State only has 7 Mens and 11 Womens.

The number of sports they field is not an issue for any conference.
 
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The last part is most important, playoff access. If they aren’t able to create a competitive schedule will they still get the special treatment of getting access if the ACC falls apart. That’s the huge question

Who doesn't want to play Notre Dame on national television? What would Iowa State say if Notre Dame called them up for a home and away? No? They always have a competitive schedule and probably will continue to do so in the future.
 
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Who doesn't want to play Notre Dame on national television? What would Iowa State say if Notre Dame called them up for a home and away? No? They always have a competitive schedule and probably will continue to do so in the future.
They would say.... maybe in 2038, when we have an open schedule spot, or we already play 1 P4 level team in Iowa every year, we dont want to add another, until we can no longer play Iowa. (we havent played 2 P4 level noncons since we started playing 9 conference games, and I doubt we do unless some requirement changes.)

This is the problem for ND if the ACC implodes. Without those guaranteed games for the next several years, they will have a hard time filling out a schedule, when every school has there non con scheduled for close to a decade ahead, and with that they all have at least 1 p4 level game contracted for years to come.
So how can a team like Alabama or Ohio St or Michigan add them in the next few years, when they have contracts in place for years to come with other noncon teams, and their conference.

If the ACC does implode those games disappear with them. Those teams going to another conference will have the guaranteed conference games that come with it. So ND having games against FSU or Miami etc would be gone because those would become noncon games for them and they already have their noncons contracted regardless of what conference they are in. You are only allowed so many games. And of those teams rarely want to schedule multiple P4 teams. Everyone would love to play ND, as ther 1 P4 team, not so much if they already have 1 P4 on their schedule, even if they have an open spot for them to take.

We just changed out UNI next year but have to add it to the end of our contracted schedule, in what like 2031, because we have our schedule is booked until then. I doubt we want to change out SEMO with ND then play Iowa the next week. Alabama isnt changing out their Citadel game with ND, they dont even want 9 conference games. Would they play them any given year, sure, but only as their P4 game, they arent giving up their creampuff game to add them.

Who would be available for ND in 2025, 2026, etc. if the ACC dissolves? Who would still have an open date? No one in the SEC, No one in the B1G, No one in the Pac2, none of the ACC schools going to another conference. Hell probably not any G5s either.

Can some of those schools rearrange a few games? Possibly, but its not an easy, nor sure thing to get to work. Especially when ND needs to fill out 5,6,7+ games each year. They have a deal with the ACC simply because it had gotten harder to fill their schedule, because teams started playing more conference games and less noncon games. ND will have to be that 1 P4 game for many teams and they will have to replace those teams current scheduled P4 team for several years ahead. Not easy to do.
 

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They would say.... maybe in 2038, when we have an open schedule spot, or we already play 1 P4 level team in Iowa every year, we dont want to add another, until we can no longer play Iowa. (we havent played 2 P4 level noncons since we started playing 9 conference games, and I doubt we do unless some requirement changes.)

This is the problem for ND if the ACC implodes. Without those guaranteed games for the next several years, they will have a hard time filling out a schedule, when every school has there non con scheduled for close to a decade ahead, and with that they all have at least 1 p4 level game contracted for years to come.
So how can a team like Alabama or Ohio St or Michigan add them in the next few years, when they have contracts in place for years to come with other noncon teams, and their conference.

If the ACC does implode those games disappear with them. Those teams going to another conference will have the guaranteed conference games that come with it. So ND having games against FSU or Miami etc would be gone because those would become noncon games for them and they already have their noncons contracted regardless of what conference they are in. You are only allowed so many games. And of those teams rarely want to schedule multiple P4 teams. Everyone would love to play ND, as ther 1 P4 team, not so much if they already have 1 P4 on their schedule, even if they have an open spot for them to take.

We just changed out UNI next year but have to add it to the end of our contracted schedule, in what like 2031, because we have our schedule is booked until then. I doubt we want to change out SEMO with ND then play Iowa the next week. Alabama isnt changing out their Citadel game with ND, they dont even want 9 conference games. Would they play them any given year, sure, but only as their P4 game, they arent giving up their creampuff game to add them.

Who would be available for ND in 2025, 2026, etc. if the ACC dissolves? Who would still have an open date? No one in the SEC, No one in the B1G, No one in the Pac2, none of the ACC schools going to another conference. Hell probably not any G5s either.

Can some of those schools rearrange a few games? Possibly, but its not an easy, nor sure thing to get to work. Especially when ND needs to fill out 5,6,7+ games each year. They have a deal with the ACC simply because it had gotten harder to fill their schedule, because teams started playing more conference games and less noncon games. ND will have to be that 1 P4 game for many teams and they will have to replace those teams current scheduled P4 team for several years ahead. Not easy to do.
The games against ND for the ACC schools are counted as non-con. If either side severs ties, those games don't go anywhere I wouldn't think
 

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Sure this will stop the speculation…

I get the feeling that movement is pointing toward 2027. That coincides with:
  • ESPN opt-out with ACC.
  • Allows two years of learnings from 12 team CFP.
  • Gets closer to Yormark's Big12 re-look
  • Allows more time for Peacock & Big10 develop case for live sports on streaming platforms.
 

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If ND’s scheduling were as easy as people want to believe, they would have never joined the ACC partially. They want to be fully independent. It just wasn’t going to work anymore. Same reason BYU was trying for so long to get into the PAC.
The primary reason why ND joined the ACC was not due to FB scheduling. ND's other sports were in the Big East but when the Big East lost Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC and added UCF, Houston, Memphis, SMU and Temple, ND wanted to get the hell out of there and rightfully so. So they struck the partnership deal with the ACC.

If the ACC implodes, I think one can safely assume the new Big East will invite them and ND will be fine with scheduling FB as an indy.
 
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I get the feeling that movement is pointing toward 2027. That coincides with:
  • ESPN opt-out with ACC.
  • Allows two years of learnings from 12 team CFP.
  • Gets closer to Yormark's Big12 re-look
  • Allows more time for Peacock & Big10 develop case for live sports on streaming platforms.
The first bullet is, by far, the most relevant and more relevant than the ongoing court cases with FSU and Clemson.

The last bullet is questionable given Amazon's existing deal with the NFL and pending deal with the NBA. Going to a streaming platform for the majority of CFB inventory should no longer be considered an obstacle while keeping a limited number of high profile games on OTA.
 
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The games against ND for the ACC schools are counted as non-con. If either side severs ties, those games don't go anywhere I wouldn't think
They also all have a noncon P4 team outside ND. Which would mean they would have to play 4 noncon games with 2 P4 games, if they joined another conference and kept ND as a noncon.

So if say Louisville joins the B12. We play 9 conf games and 3 noncon. They would have to play 4 noncons with ND, another P4 team, and 2 other teams. That would be too many games.

I would assume if the ACC ceases to exist, then those ND games would cease, as the money ND would get for them would be gone too.
 

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The first bullet is, by far, the most relevant and more relevant than the ongoing court cases with FSU and Clemson.

The last bullet is questionable given Amazon's existing deal with the NFL and pending deal with the NBA. Going to a streaming platform for the majority of CFB inventory should no longer be considered an obstacle while keeping a limited number of high profile games on OTA.
I still feel it's a reach for any conference to lean heavily into streaming. The Big10, Big12 and Pac12 all recently negotiated TV deals and none jumped at chance to give Amazon, Apple, etc the chance to televise a top game or wide-range of games.

The Big10 is testing Peacock and Big12 still has their Tier 3 football games on ESPN+.

IMO the first shot for Amazon/ Netflix to pay big will be when Big10 renegotiates in 2030 and Big12 in 2031. As long as FOX and ESPN are primary media partners for Big10, SEC and Big12, it's going to be tough for Amazon, Apple, etc. to bid on package of games they would value during existing contract.
 

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I still feel it's a reach for any conference to lean heavily into streaming. The Big10, Big12 and Pac12 all recently negotiated TV deals and none jumped at chance to give Amazon, Apple, etc the chance to televise a top game or wide-range of games.

The Big10 is testing Peacock and Big12 still has their Tier 3 football games on ESPN+.

IMO the first shot for Amazon/ Netflix to pay big will be when Big10 renegotiates in 2030 and Big12 in 2031. As long as FOX and ESPN are primary media partners for Big10, SEC and Big12, it's going to be tough for Amazon, Apple, etc. to bid on package of games they would value during existing contract.
I think you will see it more gradually.

I dont see anyone jumping into heavily streaming or complete streaming immediately.

It will be similar to what the B12 and others are doing with ESPN+, and B1G is doing with Peacock and Paramount.

Then more content will continue to gradually be pushed there. And maybe a streaming partner will pick up a package of games, then more if it works out. Think of if the B12 expands further and is able to add a new media partner for some of the content. At that point they may bring on Amazon or Apple etc to pick up a package of games. But I dont see anyone going full streaming right away or maybe not ever as long as there is still dominance in over air broadcasts.
 

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I still feel it's a reach for any conference to lean heavily into streaming. The Big10, Big12 and Pac12 all recently negotiated TV deals and none jumped at chance to give Amazon, Apple, etc the chance to televise a top game or wide-range of games.

The Big10 is testing Peacock and Big12 still has their Tier 3 football games on ESPN+.

IMO the first shot for Amazon/ Netflix to pay big will be when Big10 renegotiates in 2030 and Big12 in 2031. As long as FOX and ESPN are primary media partners for Big10, SEC and Big12, it's going to be tough for Amazon, Apple, etc. to bid on package of games they would value during existing contract.
For what it’s worth Warren also withheld exactly how much streaming there was going to be in the big ten media deal and AD’s/presidents were pissed. Part of the reason he left the job so fast.
 
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Then more content will continue to gradually be pushed there. And maybe a streaming partner will pick up a package of games, then more if it works out. Think of if the B12 expands further and is able to add a new media partner for some of the content. At that point they may bring on Amazon or Apple etc to pick up a package of games. But I dont see anyone going full streaming right away or maybe not ever as long as there is still dominance in over air broadcasts.

The ACC might, given what they saw happen to the PAC. :)
 

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The primary reason why ND joined the ACC was not due to FB scheduling. ND's other sports were in the Big East but when the Big East lost Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC and added UCF, Houston, Memphis, SMU and Temple, ND wanted to get the hell out of there and rightfully so. So they struck the partnership deal with the ACC.

If the ACC implodes, I think one can safely assume the new Big East will invite them and ND will be fine with scheduling FB as an indy.
It might not have been a primary driver, but scheduling 12 OOC games every year was getting more difficult. Since ND hooked up with the ACC, the B12 and B10 both went to 9 conference games and the PAC went away.

ND does have 3 games a year that are basically written in stone (Navy, USC, Stanford), but it's not going to get any easier to schedule P3 teams after September. The SEC is basically off the table, there's no way any of them pick up a tough mid or late-season OOC game. The B10 could pretty easily force the issue and discourage teams from scheduling OOC games once conference play starts. That would force ND to front-load their schedule with 3 or 4 or 5 P3 opponents before filling up the back half with cupcakes.
 
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The ACC might, given what they saw happen to the PAC. :)
That just depends on if they lose their deal with ESPN, but that may mean a similar ACC to what the PAC is now if that happens.

Otherwise every conference will negotiate 1 or 2 times before the ACC negotiates their next contract.
 

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That just depends on if they lose their deal with ESPN, but that may mean a similar ACC to what the PAC is now if that happens.

Otherwise every conference will negotiate 1 or 2 times before the ACC negotiates their next contract.
The only reason that ESPN would not renew the deal with the ACC is either Clemson and FSU find someway out of the GOR or they want the more valuable ACC teams in the SEC and to a less extent the B12.
Because the contract they have with the ACC is way undervalued and will be even more so by the time it ends.
 

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I still feel it's a reach for any conference to lean heavily into streaming. The Big10, Big12 and Pac12 all recently negotiated TV deals and none jumped at chance to give Amazon, Apple, etc the chance to televise a top game or wide-range of games.

The Big10 is testing Peacock and Big12 still has their Tier 3 football games on ESPN+.

IMO the first shot for Amazon/ Netflix to pay big will be when Big10 renegotiates in 2030 and Big12 in 2031. As long as FOX and ESPN are primary media partners for Big10, SEC and Big12, it's going to be tough for Amazon, Apple, etc. to bid on package of games they would value during existing contract.
If Amazon is given a chance to legitimately bid on P4 inventory, they will bid higher than anyone else and now given House implications, P4 conferences will award high volume packages to them as long as their top GOTW is on OTA. Obviously, Fox has the B10 by the balls and ESPN does likewise with the SEC so those two will be off limits to Amazon for the foreseeable future.

And now that WBD matched Amazon’s NBA offer, they have money to burn on extra B12 inventory if the ACC implodes.
It might not have been a primary driver, but scheduling 12 OOC games every year was getting more difficult. Since ND hooked up with the ACC, the B12 and B10 both went to 9 conference games and the PAC went away.

ND does have 3 games a year that are basically written in stone (Navy, USC, Stanford), but it's not going to get any easier to schedule P3 teams after September. The SEC is basically off the table, there's no way any of them pick up a tough mid or late-season OOC game. The B10 could pretty easily force the issue and discourage teams from scheduling OOC games once conference play starts. That would force ND to front-load their schedule with 3 or 4 or 5 P3 opponents before filling up the back half with cupcakes.
As stated before, both ESPN and Fox will dictate/facilitate SEC, B10 and B12 scheduling to accommodate highly ranked ND road games even if in October and November (if the ACC implodes).
 
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As stated before, both ESPN and Fox will dictate/facilitate SEC, B10 and B12 scheduling to accommodate highly ranked ND road games even if in October and November (if the ACC implodes).
If networks can push scheduling, it cuts both ways. The networks would have to weigh short term ratings vs long term goals.

ND is the last real blue blood outside of the P2. If they join the P2, it’s not going to be the SEC. They’re the B10’s white whale. Landing them in the B10 would be a major coup for Fox. ND’s going to stay independent as long as they can, but scheduling issues are one of the few things that could ultimately force their hand.

Maybe ESPN forced the SEC to step up and schedule some home & homes, but it’s far from guaranteed. Their whole thing is get as many teams in the CFP as possible, and matching up a few of their better teams with ND every year doesn’t really jib with that goal.

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If networks can push scheduling, it cuts both ways. The networks would have to weight short term ratings vs long term goals.

ND is the last real blue blood outside of the P2. If they join the P2, it’s not going to be the SEC. They’re the B10’s white whale. Landing them in the B19 would be a major coup for Fox. ND’s going to stay independent as long as they can, but scheduling issues are one of the few things that could ultimately force their had.

Maybe ESPN forced the SEC to step up and schedule some home & homes, but it’s far from guaranteed. Their whole thing is get as many teams in the CFP as possible, and matching up a few of their better teams with ND every year doesn’t really jib with that goal.
If the SEC and B10 don’t want to play ball with ND road scheduling (and I doubt that happens extensively), the B12 gladly will.