Thoughts on social media sites? UPDATE: Apple, IBM, Disney, etc. stopped advertising on Twitter - Musk suing

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You still can’t convince me that Melon didn’t tank twitter on purpose.

I think he probably knew he'd lose some of the 44 billion but if he knew he was going to lose 90% of it I wonder if he'd still pay that much purely to be king moderator of Twitter.

The stuff about 'free speech universalist' is some of the most hilarious **** ever in hindsight. Nobody is a free speech universalist and anyone is setting themself up to fail making a statement like that.
 
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It’s trending towards even basic features. BMW is now charging for auto high beams. GM is ditching Android auto and CarPlay in their EVs so they can charge a subscription and collect more user data. MB is offering a 1200 a year “acceleration increase” subscription. The list goes on and just like everything else, as they ease people into it, they’ll keep adding and adding to the list to gouge as much money as they can.

You can probably make a case to me for the others, even if I don't like it. But this is mind-numbingly stupid. Are high beams not a safety feature?
 

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You can probably make a case to me for the others, even if I don't like it. But this is mind-numbingly stupid. Are high beams not a safety feature?

Auto Hi-beams. In other words "Hey if you don't want to click on and off your bright headlights, you can pay us to do so."

The automakers have to be careful, if they get too strict on charging for features, people are going to figure out how to jail break those features and will try to profit off of that knowledge.
 
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Certain state actors will pay him some back for the data they were allowed to use.
…and the people they were able to silence, and the blanket of disinformation they were able to bot, and the furthering of political tribalism in America.
 

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There are a whole lot of ways to waste $44B (or whatever Musk paid for Twitter), but this has to be among the most pointless.

I would disagree. $44 billion is a small price to send Twitter back to hell.

Elon might end up being the man who saves the planet from climate change through electrification, puts the first humans on Mars, and kills Twitter. Is there going to be a more accomplished member of our species this century or, heck, in the history of our civilization if he does three great services to humanity like that?
 

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I would disagree. $44 billion is a small price to send Twitter back to hell.

Elon might end up being the man who saves the planet from climate change through electrification, puts the first humans on Mars, and kills Twitter. Is there going to be a more accomplished member of our species this century or, heck, in the history of our civilization if he does three great services to humanity like that?

He’s not going to do any of that. He’s a wannabe oligarch.
 

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He’s not going to do any of that. He’s a wannabe oligarch.

You don't think he's going to kill Twitter? I think that one is likely/almost assured.

And good riddance! Praise be to Elon for sending that demon bird back to the inferno.

Tesla has a long way to go to solving climate change, sure, but it has sold the most electric cars of any manufacturer. Even if it ultimately fails, it's pulled the industry in that direction. Hard.

Half of all space launches are now done by SpaceX. If we're going to Mars, it's likely on one of his rockets (or a space station with a crew put up into orbit in the first place on SpaceX equipment).

Even if you stopped him now, he's one of the most impactful businessmen of the past 50 years (one would need to count his role in PayPal in there, too). I think the "oligarch" (assuming you mean to compare him to the Russian versions of the same, which is where the term is usually seen) comparison is a poor one.

Russian oligarchs got where they are because they seized existing industries that were public under the Soviet Union but suddenly privatized under the Russian Federation through violence, intimidation, connections with the black market, political patronage, and other various forms of corruption. Elon has taken several companies from next to nothing and made them a leader in important but established industries (e.g., finance and vehicle manufacturing) and is starting to create new industries out of nothing (SpaceX and the like).

Point out to me something as innovative as either of those two companies controlled by an oligarch.

And, again, he's going to kill Twitter! With his own money! What a great service to humanity.
 

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You don't think he's going to kill Twitter? I think that one is likely/almost assured.

And good riddance! Praise be to Elon for sending that demon bird back to the inferno.

Tesla has a long way to go to solving climate change, sure, but it has sold the most electric cars of any manufacturer. Even if it ultimately fails, it's pulled the industry in that direction. Hard.

Half of all space launches are now done by SpaceX. If we're going to Mars, it's likely on one of his rockets (or a space station with a crew put up into orbit in the first place on SpaceX equipment).

Even if you stopped him now, he's one of the most impactful businessmen of the past 50 years (one would need to count his role in PayPal in there, too). I think the "oligarch" (assuming you mean to compare him to the Russian versions of the same, which is where the term is usually seen) comparison is a poor one.

Russian oligarchs got where they are because they seized existing industries that were public under the Soviet Union but suddenly privatized under the Russian Federation through violence, intimidation, connections with the black market, political patronage, and other various forms of corruption. Elon has taken several companies from next to nothing and made them a leader in important but established industries (e.g., finance and vehicle manufacturing) and is starting to create new industries out of nothing (SpaceX and the like).

Point out to me something as innovative as either of those two companies controlled by an oligarch.

And, again, he's going to kill Twitter! With his own money! What a great service to humanity.

LOL “his own money”
 

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LOL “his own money”

He put in like $30 billion he's on the hook for, yes. I can find the exact numbers for you if you like. I'm sure there's some record of the transaction while Twitter was still a public company.

Sure, the other ~$20 billion comes from other private investors that Elon talked into setting a bunch of money on fire with him. But we should thank him for blowing $30 billion to destroy it.
 
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He put in like $30 billion he's on the hook for, yes. I can find the exact numbers for you if you like. I'm sure there's some record of the transaction while Twitter was still a public company.

Sure, the other ~$20 billion comes from other private investors that Elon talked into setting a bunch of money on fire with him. But we should thank him for blowing $30 billion to destroy it.

Equity and debt financing isn’t his “own money” lol
 

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Didn’t say that. Keep thinking he’s some genius.

He's liable for when Twitter crashes and burns. Not in the way you and I might be liable if we didn't pay a credit card bill or make our mortgage payment this month, but he's on the hook for a lot.

It cost $54,500 per kilogram of payload on the Space Shuttle.

Falcon Heavy is $1,500 per kilogram.

Source -- my extensive Wikipedia research, but it does have citations.

If you can't grasp the level of accomplishment and what it means for space exploration and the development of a private space economy that is, then I can't help you. You're blinded by hate.

Arguing if he's a "genius" or not is a silly semantic point. He's been the CEO of some of the most accomplished firms in the world, and he offered to tank a significant share of his (extensive, yes) net worth just so we wouldn't have to deal with the curse that Twitter has been on our civilization.

I get it on some level. Elon is weird. Like profoundly so.

But people like him rarely have bland personalities or modest ambitions and tame egos.
 

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He's liable for when Twitter crashes and burns. Not in the way you and I might be liable if we didn't pay a credit card bill or make our mortgage payment this month, but he's on the hook for a lot.

It cost $54,500 per kilogram of payload on the Space Shuttle.

Falcon Heavy is $1,500 per kilogram.

Source -- my extensive Wikipedia research, but it does have citations.

If you can't grasp the level of accomplishment and what it means for space exploration and the development of a private space economy that is, then I can't help you. You're blinded by hate.

Arguing if he's a "genius" or not is a silly semantic point. He's been the CEO of some of the most accomplished firms in the world, and he offered to tank a significant share of his (extensive, yes) net worth just so we wouldn't have to deal with the curse that Twitter has been on our civilization.

I get it on some level. Elon is weird. Like profoundly so.

But people like him rarely have bland personalities or modest ambitions and tame egos.
I agree on musk, but will disagree that Twitter is some curse on civilization. Yeah it can be a cesspool, but it also has some good value connecting people. I’ve really enjoyed it for getting immediate news and reactions especially for cyclone stuff. Thing is, if it goes down in flames, it’s still a waste of money because everyone will just move to another platform. The concept isn’t going away.
 

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It’s trending towards even basic features. BMW is now charging for auto high beams. GM is ditching Android auto and CarPlay in their EVs so they can charge a subscription and collect more user data. MB is offering a 1200 a year “acceleration increase” subscription. The list goes on and just like everything else, as they ease people into it, they’ll keep adding and adding to the list to gouge as much money as they can.
When I bought my last car two years ago, one of the cars I looked at was a GM car. They tried to upsell me on a feature that would flash the brake lights intermittently when you took your foot off the gas, thus warning those behind you that you might brake. This was a monthly subscription. In the past two years, I only seen this on the road 2 or 3 times.
 
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