Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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I hear that the Big 12 will not get exactly 31.7 per team since we added more teams at least for a few years.
CW said there would be some dilution at the beginning of the contract, but it will still average out to $31.7M/team over the course of the contract
 

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I think there has to be a chance that the ACC survives. Maybe they get Notre Dame to join as a permanent member and try some form of unequal revenue distribution. Stanford joins as well.
Why would a school like ND that loves its independence status for football agree to join the ACC when they could make a lot more money by joining the Big easy.? ND has history with quite a few teams in the Big easy, with little to none in the ACC.
 

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I think one interesting theory is the Power Conferences must have more than 50% of the FBS in order to control the football playoff scheme after 2026. As of 2024, there will be 134 FBS teams. To maintain control, the Power Conferences would need 68 teams.

This assumes no additional FCS schools are promoted to FBS. Supposedly there are at least five plains state schools at different levels of interest in FBS: North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Missouri State, Montana, and Montana State. New FBS teams may increase the number of teams needed in the Power Conferences to retain control of the playoffs.

Individual schools don't get a vote in CFP governance.

Each conference gets 1 vote. With Notre Dame, there are 11 seats at the table.
 

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Idk… I think allure of the SEC and Big 10 is going to be too much to keep 5-6 schools. And I am not sure ND wants to contractually bind itself to those teams that are left behind.

But you are right, ND could probably save that conference and cement the ACC in 3rd place if it wanted to.
The B1G and SEC have poached everything that they want from the Big12, so we are safe from them. Their eyes are focused on the ACC, leaving the potential ACC remnant for us. The ACC is not going to be able to poach from the Big12 as their prime athletic schools want freedom to leave when they want.
 
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CW said there would be some dilution at the beginning of the contract, but it will still average out to $31.7M/team over the course of the contract
This is the football contract. You also need to add in revenue from Basketball, NCAA Tournament, and bowl games, which should increase with the added teams.
 

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I think there has to be a chance that the ACC survives. Maybe they get Notre Dame to join as a permanent member and try some form of unequal revenue distribution. Stanford joins as well.
Only way ND joins any conference is if they no longer have a path to the CFP. And if they do, they're going for as many dollars as they can get... not the ACC.
 
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This is the football contract. You also need to add in revenue from Basketball, NCAA Tournament, and bowl games, which should increase with the added teams.
The total share amount announced for 2022-2023 in June was $44M per school (10 schools) from all sources . The amount will fluctuate as OuT leave and the new schools enter, bringing the conference ultimately to 16 schools. The TV contract will adjust some, and the revenue from bowl games, tournaments and basketball will increase. I have not been able to find an estimate when we reach 16.
 

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Only way ND joins any conference is if they no longer have a path to the CFP. And if they do, they're going for as many dollars as they can get... not the ACC.
Shoppers, the B1G has only two slots left, and when they are gone they are gone. If ND continues to sleep on the sideline, someone else will score the goal, and unlike OuT, they will be OUT.
 

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Big 12 colleges foot the bill to expand to 16 but fox willing to foot the bill for Big 10. Fox definitely dictating the expansion moves of who goes where.
Fox had to have panicked a little when Oregon and Washington to the big 12 rumors were starting. Giving them up would directly compete with what the big ten was trying to do out west. They put too much money into it to let that happen.
 
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They are stuck though, like PAC and big 12, expansion is their best option but like those two leagues, the big money schools aren't going to allow it.

It's best bet at surviving is to go through what those leagues did and then expand. If fsu, Clemson and UNC left, they conference could move on add the schools they're looking for. As long as they're stuck with those schools, they are screwed.

The ACC's fate will ultimately come down to whether or not they're united after the big ten and sec take what they want. Will they be united like the Big 12 or will it be 10 different agendas like the PAC.
I think for the schools to get to the big 10 and SEC any time soon, it will take them dissolving the league. I think there will be enough that also will be willing to go to the Big 12 to dissolve. Big 10 and SEC might take teams they are on the fence about to get enough teams to dissolve the league.
 
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I hear that the Big 12 will not get exactly 31.7 per team since we added more teams at least for a few years.
Correct. 13 and 14 were pro rata adds, 15 and 16 were not. I believe ESPN chipping in for all four pro rata, but Fox just two.

But in the grand scheme the number will be higher after all the other payouts, 31.7 was just the average of the contract from media rights only. There will be other payouts as well, and still more than we’ve ever made per year.
 
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I think for the schools to get to the big 10 and SEC any time soon, it will take them dissolving the league. I think there will be enough that also will be willing to go to the Big 12 to dissolve. Big 10 and SEC might take teams they are on the fence about to get enough teams to dissolve the league.
If the ACC GOR is like the B12 GOR (which is available to public), it's virtually impossible to garner the votes needed to dissolve the league.
 
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I think for the schools to get to the big 10 and SEC any time soon, it will take them dissolving the league. I think there will be enough that also will be willing to go to the Big 12 to dissolve. Big 10 and SEC might take teams they are on the fence about to get enough teams to dissolve the league.
Check out this link from post #27,732, interesting info on just how hard it would be to dissolve the conference per the GoR.


Only schools within the conference that are identified as "disinterested directors" would get a vote on dissolving the conference. To be a "disinterested director" means you're not, by definition, an "interested director," which is a school that's been determined by the rest of the league to have a conflict of interest in terms of a vote on dissolving the conference.

So if I understand it correctly, if you're an FSU or Clemson who, it's clear to everyone, has a vested interest in dissolving the ACC, you wouldn't actually get a vote on the matter.
 
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I think for the schools to get to the big 10 and SEC any time soon, it will take them dissolving the league. I think there will be enough that also will be willing to go to the Big 12 to dissolve. Big 10 and SEC might take teams they are on the fence about to get enough teams to dissolve the league.
If the B1G, SEC, and Big 12 wanted to, they could take 10 of the 15 ACC teams (including ND). It takes 12 votes to dissolve the conference. Thus if the three conferences stopped at 20 members each, they would be two teams short of the twelve votes to end the conference. (according to wiki wiki and Reddit.)
 

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If the B1G, SEC, and Big 12 wanted to, they could take 10 of the 15 ACC teams (including ND). It takes 12 votes to dissolve the conference. Thus if the three conferences stopped at 20 members each, they would be two teams short of the twelve votes to end the conference. (according to wiki wiki and Reddit.)
It doesn't technically take 12 votes to dissolve the conference, it takes a supermajority and any schools that have plans or interest in leaving for another conference wouldn't actually get a vote on the matter. Apparently. So in your scenario, only the five schools not being discussed as additions to the B1G/SEC/Big 12 would get a vote, and they'd need 4 of them to vote to dissolve.
 

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Yeah, no way Syracuse gets downgraded. They have good history with the football program, and obviously an outstanding BB history. I agree, they'd be a potential good get for the B12, perhaps paired with UConn, Pitt and Louisville. I know many on here don't like Louisville, but like Syracuse, they have excellent history with both their football and basketball programs.
Stanford also has excellent history, and yet...
 

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It doesn't technically take 12 votes to dissolve the conference, it takes a supermajority and any schools that have plans or interest in leaving for another conference wouldn't actually get a vote on the matter. Apparently. So in your scenario, only the five schools not being discussed as additions to the B1G/SEC/Big 12 would get a vote, and they'd need 4 of them to vote to dissolve.
Only the Lawyers know for sure. Do I hear the plaintive cry: "Lawyer -- Lawyer" coming from somewhere in the southeastern US.......
Alternately in the scheme of college athletics, 13 years is not that long to wait.
 

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Only the Lawyers know for sure. Do I hear the plaintive cry: "Lawyer -- Lawyer" coming from somewhere in the southeastern US.......
Alternately in the scheme of college athletics, 13 years is not that long to wait.
It’s not like the ACC used hack lawyers without a clear intent for what they were doing. The GOR was written specifically for this situation - that’s the only reason it exists.

If there was a legal way around the GOR, I expect FSU or another school would already be in court. I can’t imagine they just started looking into this with the latest rounds of realignment, and I can’t think they’d just sit in a legal strategy they thought might work.

We’ve seen a lot of noise and smoke coming from FSU, but that’s likely because they’re stuck and know it.
 
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