LOST: This Place is Death

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This was the episode where Desmond first starts time traveling. I believe its when he starts having flashes after the hatch explosion. He goes into the past when he breaks up with Penny and decides that he wants to propose to her instead. He goes to the jewelry store to buy the engagement ring and the jeweler working is Eloise. She tells him that he will not propose to her and that he has to go the island.


Thanks for that - Seems so random - Can't believe you remembered that! Just goes to show you that there are no insignificant bits to this show - everything means something!
 

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I think Locke did fix the time skipping with the wheel, but he didn't reset it. That's how the losties get stuck in Dharma initiative time. Charlotte had to die, because obviously Faraday meets her and I don't think she could meet herself.

Jack's dad might just be a physical form of Jacob, but he did tell Locke that he told him to move the Island. Wasn't that a Jacob thing?

I thought it was a really good episode. Funny thing is, I have a feeling we'll have to wait 2 weeks to see what happens to the ones that got off the island. I have a feeling next week will be about where the Losties are and what happens to Locke.
 

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This was the episode where Desmond first starts time traveling. I believe its when he starts having flashes after the hatch explosion. He goes into the past when he breaks up with Penny and decides that he wants to propose to her instead. He goes to the jewelry store to buy the engagement ring and the jeweler working is Eloise. She tells him that he will not propose to her and that he has to go the island.

There's also the possibility that Ellie, the girl holding the gun to Faraday's head in the 1954 episode a few weeks ago, was his mom. The two names are similar, her age looks about right, and Faraday said that she looked familiar. That could be an artifact of time travel though (maybe he meets her while their stuck during the Dharma years?).

I thought it was a great episode. I loved the explanation for why time was freaking out: the wheel was stuck. It was so simple, but actually kind of fit.
 
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I'm pretty sure that's Farraday's mom that was pointing the gun at them in the past.

My sister picked up on this before I did. When I was watching that episode a second time, I noticed that Faraday kept looking at her with an odd look on his face. It made me believe that he did know who she was.
 

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There's also the possibility that Ellie, the girl holding the gun to Faraday's head in the 1954 episode a few weeks ago, was his mom. The two names are similar, her age looks about right, and Faraday said that she looked familiar. That could be an artifact of time travel though (maybe he meets her while their stuck during the Dharma years?).

I thought it was a great episode. I loved the explanation for why time was freaking out: the wheel was stuck. It was so simple, but actually kind of fit.

If that's the case, please allow me to say to you, Mr. Faraday, dude, your mom is hot (in '54)! :wink:
 

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Eloise is also in the picture on the monk's desk when Desmond is leaving the abbey.

Still want to know why Charlotte knows Korean, and it seems that her father is someone of note, I believe. Is it possible that Daniel is actually Charlotte's father? He has said he loves her, but I don't think there has been any overtly romantic gestures. Anyone know of any?

Also, Charlotte tells Jin that this place is death and a bunch of stuff in Korean. We need to find out what was said in Korean as it wasn't subtitled for us, but I think is a clue.

EDIT: Was it Korean? I read online somewhere that it was Klingon, like she said she spoke, but that could be a joke.
 
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Ahh, but why was that little random episode put in then? I think it is significant. Jack's dad mentions to Lock before spinning the wheel that why should he ever trust Ben. This might be the huge suprise on Ben....and Locke brings back some of the O6.

This has bothered me since I saw that episode. At the time it seemed to have nothing to do with anything, and it was never really addressed afterwards. I'm also a bit surprised that nobody "leaving" the island was tempted to dig up the diamonds.
 

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This has bothered me since I saw that episode. At the time it seemed to have nothing to do with anything, and it was never really addressed afterwards. I'm also a bit surprised that nobody "leaving" the island was tempted to dig up the diamonds.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe that anybody knows about the diamonds.

I thought the episode of Nikki and Paolo and the spider was created because studio execs wanted to stretch the series out longer and it was basically a filler episode. But, maybe the spider poison plays an important role with Locke. That's an interesting idea.
 

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe that anybody knows about the diamonds.

I thought the episode of Nikki and Paolo and the spider was created because studio execs wanted to stretch the series out longer and it was basically a filler episode. But, maybe the spider poison plays an important role with Locke. That's an interesting idea.

I remember that Sawyer found the diamonds, and threw them in the grave before burying them. Wikipedia confirms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposé_(Lost)

"Sawyer returns, having found the diamonds, and the other survivors accuse him of being the killer because Desmond saw him arguing with Nikki just that morning. He gives the diamonds to Sun, but she later confronts him about kidnapping her and returns the diamonds because "they're worthless here." The survivors then hold a funeral for Nikki and Paulo, where Sawyer pours the pouch of diamonds into the grave. Nikki's eyelids open just as Hurley and Sawyer are filling the grave, burying her and Paulo alive."
 

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I remember that Sawyer found the diamonds, and threw them in the grave before burying them. Wikipedia confirms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expos%C3%A9_(Lost)

"Sawyer returns, having found the diamonds, and the other survivors accuse him of being the killer because Desmond saw him arguing with Nikki just that morning. He gives the diamonds to Sun, but she later confronts him about kidnapping her and returns the diamonds because "they're worthless here." The survivors then hold a funeral for Nikki and Paulo, where Sawyer pours the pouch of diamonds into the grave. Nikki's eyelids open just as Hurley and Sawyer are filling the grave, burying her and Paulo alive."

That Nikki chick was unreal hot.
 

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I remember that Sawyer found the diamonds, and threw them in the grave before burying them. Wikipedia confirms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expos%C3%A9_(Lost)

"Sawyer returns, having found the diamonds, and the other survivors accuse him of being the killer because Desmond saw him arguing with Nikki just that morning. He gives the diamonds to Sun, but she later confronts him about kidnapping her and returns the diamonds because "they're worthless here." The survivors then hold a funeral for Nikki and Paulo, where Sawyer pours the pouch of diamonds into the grave. Nikki's eyelids open just as Hurley and Sawyer are filling the grave, burying her and Paulo alive."

Oh yeah, man I failed today's Lost test. I should have remembered that. Thanks!
 

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There's also the possibility that Ellie, the girl holding the gun to Faraday's head in the 1954 episode a few weeks ago, was his mom. The two names are similar, her age looks about right, and Faraday said that she looked familiar. That could be an artifact of time travel though (maybe he meets her while their stuck during the Dharma years?).

I thought it was a great episode. I loved the explanation for why time was freaking out: the wheel was stuck. It was so simple, but actually kind of fit.

I remember thinking that Ellie must be Faradays mom when he looked like he recognized her.

Thanks to the poster who remembered that she was the jeweler. I knew I remembered her face from before and it was bugging me.
 

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That was a great episode! If I had to nitpick, the only part I didn't like about it was "Hey, here's Rousseau and how her team died, okay, backstory over." I figured they'd spend at least an episode doing a "The Other 48 Days" style plot. I don't think they're done showing us Rousseau's backstory, but it's kinda disheartening to leave us hanging like that. How does Ben get Rousseau's baby? Why do the flashes happen?

I guess I'm sort of bummed because I really thought past Ben would meet up with the time traveling losties when he takes Alex, and that would be how he kinda knew that the plane was going to crash in 2004. I also thought the flashes were preventing anything paradoxical from happening (Kate and Claire seeing future Sawyer in the jungle, being shot at while they're on the canoe out in the ocean)... but they appeared to happen in quicker succession as the situation got to be more dire.
 

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That was a great episode! If I had to nitpick, the only part I didn't like about it was "Hey, here's Rousseau and how her team died, okay, backstory over." I figured they'd spend at least an episode doing a "The Other 48 Days" style plot. I don't think they're done showing us Rousseau's backstory, but it's kinda disheartening to leave us hanging like that. How does Ben get Rousseau's baby? Why do the flashes happen?

I thought the flashes part of this season was explained during the last part of the episode, it was the donkey wheel messing stuff up, that's what I thought I got from it anyway.
 

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That was a great episode! If I had to nitpick, the only part I didn't like about it was "Hey, here's Rousseau and how her team died, okay, backstory over." I figured they'd spend at least an episode doing a "The Other 48 Days" style plot. I don't think they're done showing us Rousseau's backstory, but it's kinda disheartening to leave us hanging like that. How does Ben get Rousseau's baby? Why do the flashes happen?

I guess I'm sort of bummed because I really thought past Ben would meet up with the time traveling losties when he takes Alex, and that would be how he kinda knew that the plane was going to crash in 2004. I also thought the flashes were preventing anything paradoxical from happening (Kate and Claire seeing future Sawyer in the jungle, being shot at while they're on the canoe out in the ocean)... but they appeared to happen in quicker succession as the situation got to be more dire.

Didn't some of the other time traveling losties get killed in the flaming arrow attack, and the "others" army attack. Granted they had the same story significance as the red-shirted Enterprise crew members that transported down to the planet with Kirk & Spock, but for them, a devastating occurance. They have been on that island all that time with their decaying corpses.
 

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I just read in tv guide that Jacks grandfather knows something about the island. I think Jacks dad has been there before as well.


Also says that Sawyer, Juliette, Jin and crew will meet up with a young Ben for at least 4 episodes to fill in his rise to power.

One of these sentences is true according to writers:

A: Ben is Lockes brother
B: Charlotte is the grown up Annie (bens childhood friend)
C: Miles is Marvin Candles son.

Im not sure which one to believe, but if I were to pick one, I would say Ben and Locke are brothers. A Cain and Abel type dynamic.
 
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I just read in tv guide that Jacks grandfather knows something about the island. I think Jacks dad has been there before as well.


Also says that Sawyer, Juliette, Jin and crew will meet up with a young Ben for at least 4 episodes to fill in his rise to power.

One of these sentences is true according to writers:

A: Ben is Lockes brother
B: Charlotte is the grown up Annie (bens childhood friend)
C: Miles is Marvin Candles son.

Im not sure which one to believe, but if I were to pick one, I would say Ben and Locke are brothers. A Cain and Abel type dynamic.

Only one of those things is true? Hmm... I'd never thought of or heard "A" before, but I've heard "B" mentioned elsewhere as a possibility and thought of "C" myself. I was kind of hoping one or all of them could be true.
 

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