Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[06_CY]

It would be mildly amusing if AZ\ASU came and instead of Utah for the 16th slot we went with UConn

Nah, in that scenario, give me the Beavs. Big 12 after dark ISU vs Beavers in Corvallis.

 

[Althetuna]

All that does is put an expiration date on things though. And those 3 can't guarantee that the big 12 will still have those openings in 5 years, especially in light of all the noise out of the ACC (however unlikely breaking the GOR actually is today, the closer we get to its end, the more likely an exit happens). Hell, the next big 12 contract may not have the same pro rata options.

That's a fair point. I would counter if a university's goal is to join the BIG (whether that's realistic or not) putting off a jump to the Big 12 would be in their interest.

 

[2speedy1]

Canzano, Wilner, Mandel, etc. Being made absolute clowns, is as just as good as Utah getting a reality check.

Im not sure which I will enjoy more. They all need to be dunked into oblivion.

 

[RonBurgundy]

So if the B1G takes 2-4 Pac schools, and the B12 takes 2-4 Pac schools, what happens to the Rose Bowl.
Does it move affiliation to the B12 and B1G?
Does it become an at large NY6 bowl like the Fiesta etc?

Gotta believe it wont end with the end of the PAC.

The Rose Bowl was already over as a historical matchup when the BCS started. Nebraska played Miami in 2002.

 

[WooBadger18]

That's the thing people are ignoring - eventually these conference payouts are going to get so excessive that the TV networks won't be able to keep increasing them at the next deal - or they might even go down. What happens when Michigan, Ohio St, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, OU, and others suddenly have to make less money than they were previously making? Fans of the smaller Big 10 and SEC schools will tell you that they will continue their benevolent attitudes towards the rest of their conference. But will that really be the case when ESPN continues to whisper in their ears "we can get you more money if you leave the dead weight behind?"

I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen and I’d kind of prefer that (assuming Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota get left behind). Because even when the bubble bursts you’ll still have the teams and stadiums, and be able to watch the games. The quality might not be great, but there will be cameras at the games.

Plus, conferences will need to make geographic sense to cut costs, so I think the Midwest big 10 schools and Midwest big 12 schools would probably coalesce into a conference which would be fun.

 

[2speedy1]

The Rose Bowl was already over as a historical matchup when the BCS started. Nebraska played Miami in 2002.

Yeah I get it, but they still fell back on their affiliations just like the Sugar bowl does in none playoff years.

With that I forgot that in the new 12 team, there is no rotation. They all are just playoff games now. I had a bit of a brain fart and forgot they all are playoffs every year now.

 

[RonBurgundy]

I agree with this. Its a move to slow things down. (To the benefit for the B1G)

If B1G leaks would take WAOR, WOAR to B1G and PAC X ends.

If B1G leaks would not take WAOR, WOAR to Big 12 and PAC X ends.

If B1G leaks evaluating WAOR in long term WAOR, WOAR. fights for status quo. (IMO)

This is 100% the B1G just trying to ck block the Big 12. Hey, WAOR, forget what we said earlier this year, we are interested. Make no moves until you hear from us.

 

[Yaz]

 

[WooBadger18]

Doesn't this just push AZ\ASU\Utah out the door faster though? If Big 10 is leaking that UO\UW are serious possibilities, the viability of the pac 12 is nil for the corners schools.

Is it definitely UO/UW, I suppose the play could be “it could be any of you, so none of you should go to the big 12” (not that I think that would definitely work)

 

[ISUCubswin]

I just do not see a world in which any media company would pay the B1G to have 24 teams. It's probably difficult to justify paying Maryland, Northwestern, Rutgers, Illinois, Purdue, and Minnesota $90 ******* million anyway.

 

[isucy86]

That's not how it works, at all.

The ACC can simply say no.

There's an exit fee, yes. On top of that, the ACC owns the IP rights for the tv media of the respective conference members even if a member chooses to leave. The ACC has the right to say no to sell those rights back. Even billionaires like Taylor Swift have been unable to buy their rights back when they wanted to.

But if FSU buys their way out, the ACC can't stop them.

The ACC buyout is somewhere around $100. Could FSU raise that from donors? Is it any different than raising money for a stadium or any other type of facility.

Then there are Media rights for home athletic contests, which is $17M year based on ACC contract and ESPN televising contests. My question at this point is who will televise FSU games? ESPN or Big10 Rights Holders

Not sure how FSU can make the money work if its ESPN. But if its Big10 Rights Holders, it seems straight forward. The Big10 rights holders will charge advertising rates at Big10 levels to support a $60M payment. So give FSU a "royalty", sponsorship payment of $60M, more than offsetting the lost ACC revenue of $17M

 

[2speedy1]

I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen and I’d kind of prefer that (assuming Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota get left behind). Because even when the bubble bursts you’ll still have the teams and stadiums, and be able to watch the games. The quality might not be great, but there will be cameras at the games.

Plus, conferences will need to make geographic sense to cut costs, so I think the Midwest big 10 schools and Midwest big 12 schools would probably coalesce into a conference which would be fun.

I think in the end you will have 3 conf of about 24 teams. When that happens they may go back to having some sort of subdivisions/pods or whatever of regional teams.

What that means is we will be basically back to having regional divisions instead of conferences. that a just managed by 1 superconference each.

Go back to when every conference was 10-12 team regional conference, and compare it to having subdivisions of 10-12 team regional subdivisions of a super conference.

 

[ISpyCy]

...and then there's GK.

 

[isucy86]

We should add Oregon state and Washington state instead. Id lie and say it’s to add increased media presence in the Pacific Northwest and to add an additional time zone to the xonference but it’s really cuz I think it’d be utterly hysterical to leave Utah and Arizona state holding the bag.

You might think its hysterical. But I doubt FOX & ESPN would be smiling. In fact whoever made that decision would be looking for a new job.

The Big12 will add the schools that make the most money for ESPN & FOX. To think that on-field or twitter statements mean anything is wrong minded.

 

[ISUTex]

And yet, the Rose Bowl is dead.

Big 10 Championship game location.

 

[2speedy1]

But if FSU buys their way out, the ACC can't stop them.

The ACC buyout is somewhere around $100. Could FSU raise that from donors? Is it any different than raising money for a stadium or any other type of facility.

Then there are Media rights for home athletic contests, which is $17M year based on ACC contract and ESPN televising contests. My question at this point is who will televise FSU games? ESPN or Big10 Rights Holders

Not sure how FSU can make the money work if its ESPN. But if its Big10 Rights Holders, it seems straight forward. The Big10 rights holders will charge advertising rates at Big10 levels to support a $60M payment. So give FSU a "royalty", sponsorship payment of $60M, more than offsetting the lost ACC revenue of $17M

No it is not that way at all.

The buyout is just to leave conference. Not to buyout the GOR, they still would be on the hook for that, unless they can come to a deal to buy it out. the ACC does not have to agree to ever let them out of the GOR until the end of the contract.

What possibly happens is they tell the ACC they are going to leave, then the start negotiating for an early exit of the GOR, that will take time...think how long OUT had to negotiate. But in the end the ACC never actually has to agree to them leaving without leaving their Media rights.

 

[HFCS]

Link? Sorry…. just starting to doubt basically everything I hear on here. So much nonsense that turns out to be false.

Contact dialed into AZ and sports media biz. Just for what it's worth.

 

[alarson]

But if FSU buys their way out, the ACC can't stop them.

The ACC buyout is somewhere around $100. Could FSU raise that from donors? Is it any different than raising money for a stadium or any other type of facility.

Then there are Media rights for home athletic contests, which is $17M year based on ACC contract and ESPN televising contests. My question at this point is who will televise FSU games? ESPN or Big10 Rights Holders

Not sure how FSU can make the money work if its ESPN. But if its Big10 Rights Holders, it seems straight forward. The Big10 rights holders will charge advertising rates at Big10 levels to support a $60M payment. So give FSU a "royalty", sponsorship payment of $60M, more than offsetting the lost ACC revenue of $17M

Again, that's not how it works.

They signed the deal where the ACC pays them what ESPN pays it for media rights (the $17mil). That doesn't mean that FSU can just pay the total of that back and buy its way out. No, those rights are owned by the conference, and it doesn't have to sell. The ACC membership all agreed to the deal in good faith with the goal of having long term stability which was desired at the time, and members can't just walk away from that because they think they can make more elsewhere now. There is no set price, and if the ACC were to agree to a buyout (that again, they don't have to) it would likely be substantially higher than the $17mil, reflecting the damage other conference members would stand to face from the move.

Its like if someone signed a record deal and then blew up into a superstar. Their label doesn't have to sell their rights back to them so they can make more money elsewhere.

 

[alarson]

No it is not that way at all.

The buyout is just to leave conference. Not to buyout the GOR, they still would be on the hook for that, unless they can come to a deal to buy it out. the ACC does not have to agree to ever let them out of the GOR until the end of the contract.

What possibly happens is they tell the ACC they are going to leave, then the start negotiating for an early exit of the GOR, that will take time...think how long OUT had to negotiate. But in the end the ACC never actually has to agree to them leaving without leaving their Media rights.

And it was a lot easier for OUT to negotiate since they were only really reducing the GOR by a year and the big 12 had some incentive to get UT\OU out the door.

 

[HoopsTournament]

But if FSU buys their way out, the ACC can't stop them.

The ACC buyout is somewhere around $100. Could FSU raise that from donors? Is it any different than raising money for a stadium or any other type of facility.

Then there are Media rights for home athletic contests, which is $17M year based on ACC contract and ESPN televising contests. My question at this point is who will televise FSU games? ESPN or Big10 Rights Holders

Not sure how FSU can make the money work if its ESPN. But if it’s Big10 Rights Holders, it seems straight forward. The Big10 rights holders will charge advertising rates at Big10 levels to support a $60M payment. So give FSU a "royalty", sponsorship payment of $60M, more than offsetting the lost ACC revenue of $17M

ESPN and ACC would still own the rights to air all of FSU’s home games. B1G would not even be able to air them because they would not have the property rights to them unless they bought them.