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I've been re-watching some old clips of Brock Purdy analysis from QB School that JT O'Sullivan put out after he recently did some more analysis from Purdy's film from SF's win over Dolphins, and few things surprised me about comments he made on the game analyses of Purdy:
- He talked about how he liked the design/scheme, especially with motion, formation etc. multiple times
- He talked about how well coached Purdy was on footwork/throwing/anticipation
- There were few plays where formation included ineligible receivers as decoys to draw defenses in

Which led me to few thoughts...

- I don't remember running a lot of 2-3TE (or H-Back) packages until Kolar/Allen emerged (Campbell's 3rd year?). Looking at some highlights from the first two years, we ran a lot more 4WR sets.
- Our TE room (even going back to Sam Harms) were really smart players
- some of the issues in recent years with ineligible receivers downfield might have been designed but poor execution
- WRs need to win some 1-on-1 battles and..
- QB needs to trust the receivers and make the throws needed; in the analysis, Purdy had good examples of evading the rush, anticipating WR breaks and trusting the receivers
- it seemed like the play calls trusted the offense to make right reads and execute.
- maybe it was Manning not trusting our offensive and giving the shallow crosses, or maybe these were the dump offs that Dekkers just relied on, especially if we didn't have any deep threat who could win 1-on-1 battles or Dekkers being able to read/make the throws with the poor O-line play, and we probably resorted to the shallow cross dump offs.

It seems clear that after we developed our TEs (and after Manning came back) we ran a lot more TE sets, which played to our strengths and added wrinkles into our system. If I had any major concerns with our offense this year, after losing 3 veteran and smart players, we had a significant turnover in our TE room and yet we were still stuck using the same schemes as if we had multiple All-Conference+ TEs and really smart players instead of maybe thinking to spread the field more use some schemes made us successful pre our TE days.

Maybe philosophically, things weren't too different but tactical/scheming this year lacked and you could probably debate if that's on CMC or Manning. But reading about changes that were promised with the offense and not getting makes me wonder if Manning got too comfortable with his TE formations and kept resorting to that instead of thinking of new creative ways to get guys involved with the offense.
 

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Sure. But, how do you know who has a fresh approach and who doesn't, if you don't have inside knowledge. And, hell, I'm a Baby Boomer, too, so maybe that fact is irrelevant?
Fresh approach? Do kids that played Madden count? Not sure it's fresh but it's an approach...just like how the army recruits. Let them try for real now with humans. Time will tell.
 

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I’ll share some more thoughts from current players (not naming them of course) when I get a chance. But, there are mixed emotions though. All happy for him as a person and someone they respect, but a lot of concerns and reservations about how many changes will be seen day to day based on what they’ve seen and experienced.
And is that a bad thing? It’s not like they were good this year…
Your comment here made me look at Jeremy's comment in a whole new light.
Went back and listened to CW Pod with Nate from Feb 2022. It’s a bit dated as far as expectations for this season, but it gives great insight into his journey into coaching and experience climbing the ranks. He’s obviously a humble, intelligent guy with a good head on his shoulders. I see why players and recruits like him.

I’d love to hear a follow up pod with him about his vision for the O when the dust settles and wounds are less fresh.
I still feel he took the job with the assurance that he is going to get the amount of autonomy he feels he needs to succeed. We'll see. There is a lot riding on this for both Scheelhaase and Campbell.

Unless...
So it’s possible CMC hired a “yes man” and always wants a “yes man” to run his offense?
I'm hoping Scheelhaase is not just a yes man. I think he is a team player, that wants to make "his" mark within the system. I think he has been told he will have quite a bit more freedom than Manning did. Just a gut (but also hopeful) feeling.

That was probably hard for Campbell to agree to, if true.
 

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Two or three critical hires still to come, which will greatly define how all this turns out. OL coach, S&C coach, one other coach on offense (?) to partly replace Scheelhaase's responsibility.

All 3 of these coaches should have a solid ST's resume, perhaps one of them being a ST coordinator?
 

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Your comment here made me look at Jeremy's comment in a whole new light.

I still feel he took the job with the assurance that he is going to get the amount of autonomy he feels he needs to succeed. We'll see. There is a lot riding on this for both Scheelhaase and Campbell.

Unless...

I'm hoping Scheelhaase is not just a yes man. I think he is a team player, that wants to make "his" mark within the system. I think he has been told he will have quite a bit more freedom than Manning did. Just a gut (but also hopeful) feeling.

That was probably hard for Campbell to agree to, if true.

IMO Manning had more autonomy than you think. I don’t think Matt is micro managing plays. I think that Manning was ultimately running the offense and calling plays. Heacock is in charge of the defense. He runs the controls. Manning was in charge of the offense. Matt is the CEO.
 
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IMO Manning had more autonomy than you think. I don’t think Matt is micro managing plays. I think that Manning was ultimately running the offense and calling plays. Heacock is in charge of the defense. He runs the controls. Manning was in charge of the offense. Matt is the CEO.
Hard to know. I'm just a fan, like you. I wish Matt, Nate and all the coaches and players the best, and hope they can turn it around.

The proof will be on the field, over the next couple of years. We might still be fooled, but I don't think most of the fans will fall so easily for any pre-season hype that we might have been previously fed, or led to believe. That probably starts with O-Line play.
 

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Hard to know. I'm just a fan, like you. I wish Matt, Nate and all the coaches and players the best, and hope they can turn it around.

The proof will be on the field, over the next couple of years. We might still be fooled, but I don't think most of the fans will fall so easily for any pre-season hype that we might have been previously fed, or led to believe. That probably starts with O-Line play.

So many stating that Matt is running the offense and calling the plays. IMO that is not the way Campbell runs things. Coordinators run things and Campbell oversees them. Manning had freedom within the system. Scheelhaase will have autonomy to run his offense.
 
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Manning's biggest failing here was his inability to clean up pre-snap issues that led to ISU being the third most penalized team in the Big 12, and critical breakdowns that made for the worst red zone offense in Big 12 play, and #121 overall in points per offensive play.

The offense needs a tactician at OC and I hope Scheelhasse is the guy.
All the motion has been a problem throughout the CMC years. False starts have been a killer but should be expected when you ask your linemen to hold a stance for so long. Back-to-back false starts on the final drive probably cost us the CCG vs OU. A false start on the 2 point conversion vs Washington St probably cost us that game. On and on. To clever by half as the Brits like to say. I would like to see us be more decisive which I think will solve the pre-snap issues.
 

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Not exactly sure.
All the motion has been a problem throughout the CMC years. False starts have been a killer but should be expected when you ask your linemen to hold a stance for so long. Back-to-back false starts on the final drive probably cost us the CCG vs OU. A false start on the 2 point conversion vs Washington St probably cost us that game. On and on. To clever by half as the Brits like to say. I would like to see us be more decisive which I think will solve the pre-snap issues.
The two games you mentioned had the same DC. That DC is known for having players simulate the snap, otherwise I agree we need to correct the false starts.
 
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IMO Manning had more autonomy than you think. I don’t think Matt is micro managing plays. I think that Manning was ultimately running the offense and calling plays. Heacock is in charge of the defense. He runs the controls. Manning was in charge of the offense. Matt is the CEO.

As long as we're not insinuating that Manning was calling some rogue offense CMC didn't want. The consistency with which the offense was managed tells you it was more or less in the ballpark of what the CEO wanted.
 
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As long as we're not insinuating that Manning was calling some rogue offense CMC didn't want. The consistency with which the offense was managed tells you it was more or less in the ballpark of what the CEO wanted.

The point I was making is that Campbell has the philosophy of a ball control offense that still has homerun capability. Individual play calls and sets and personnel are under the ultimate control of the OC. Campbell is ultimately responsible for everything. But Campbell isn’t play calling each play. Or micro managing things. Coordinators do that.
 

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The point I was making is that Campbell has the philosophy of a ball control offense that still has homerun capability. Individual play calls and sets and personnel are under the ultimate control of the OC. Campbell is ultimately responsible for everything. But Campbell isn’t play calling each play. Or micro managing things. Coordinators do that.

There is no reason we can't be running an offense, and have similar success, like K-State. They are damned efficient and move the ball well.


And have strong special teams.
 

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There is no reason we can't be running an offense, and have similar success, like K-State. They are damned efficient and move the ball well.


And have strong special teams.

Yes they are. Good line play and good execution. Colin Klein is doing great at OC. I am sure Campbell would be pleased with that success.
 
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So many stating that Matt is running the offense and calling the plays. IMO that is not the way Campbell runs things. Coordinators run things and Campbell oversees them. Manning had freedom within the system. Scheelhaase will have autonomy to run his offense.
I hear what you're saying and cannot really argue against it (or for it) because I do not know. It is troubling, though, that Matt allowed the offensive play calling to consistently be what it was, that being bad, and repeatedly bad, for some time.

Maybe he is super loyal, to a fault, but it seems to me he could have turned things around sooner, if he wanted to.

Alas, I think it is time to turn the page, and hope for the best in the near and upcoming future. We can continue to speculate on the last 2-3 coaching positions. These will be very important. And those new coaches will hopefully bring in new blood and ideas to help jump-start our program.