Ben Bruns KU Game Recap on Iowa Everywhere

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Listening to the Bruns recap was very nice. A follow up thought after thinking about the "cover 4" kansas used, why no bubble or direct passes to wideouts? Is this another "cannot do" because of poor blocking?

4 lineman and 4 deep secondary, only three guys to make a play on a receiver between 0-8 yards from the line of scrimmage?
 
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The thing with a cover 4 is that if you have route trees that flood as zone, they should be wide open. We didn't see that. We saw long developing crosses across the field which do work, but it was the only strategy used. In addition, KU just kept thier LB's back, waited for the cross to hit and then tackled them for a short gain.
exactly. if we know they only run cover 4 maybe have more routes the hooks and curls 5 yards deep. have 3 different depths of routes in one zone and most likely 1 of them will be open.
 

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exactly. if we know they only run cover 4 maybe have more routes the hooks and curls 5 yards deep. have 3 different depths of routes in one zone and most likely 1 of them will be open.
I agree, but the OL still has to block for more than 0.8 seconds.
 
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So for the unknowledgeable, does that mean anyone that runs Cover 4 will eliminate any downfield passes at all? And other than a thousand crossing patterns or WR screens, what do we have to look forward to?
You can still throw down field but it's not advised cuz you're probably going to have double coverage on everybody deep. If they can't run the ball then yes we're kind of screwed.
 

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The kid, in general , holds the ball way too long.

We are really slow at things for trying to throw 4 yard passes.
See I thought it was the opposite early in the year but yes now he's definitely holding it too long.
 

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So WHY do we use the narrow splits in the first place? Is that to facilitate runs up the middle? Whats the theory for the uninformed?
Probably cause minus Brock our RB are terrible at pass protection and/or our interior line gets gashed on stunts with small line splits and we are putting it on the tackles instead.

One other thing I would add larger line splits give your lineman better angles for blocking. Now we run zone most of the time so that's not necessarily what you're looking for but the same principle can apply to zone as power blocking in that regard because the running back is looking for a wrinkle to hit and compressing our alignment together isn't going to really yield you the results you're looking for consistently. It's part of the reason why pitches seem to work a lot more for us than inside zone.
 
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So WHY do we use the narrow splits in the first place? Is that to facilitate runs up the middle? Whats the theory for the uninformed?

To be honest, with the personnel we have and the line we have, I'm not sure.

In theory tight splits help eliminate between the tackle pressure/penetration. I also think it's something best utilized when taking snaps under center, something we rarely do (basically have never done throughout Campbell's tenure and something that particularly frustrates me in 1 yard or less 3rd/4tgh downs).

The reality is we've shown we CANNOT consistently block out of this protection scheme. Having trouble running the ball is compounding the issue, and teams are standing up their ends and angling them as they don't respect our A) ability to run B) ability for our ends to get off the ball C) our ability to get rid of the ball quickly. These aren't sporadic issues rather constant themes that plague our offense.

I'm pessimistic adjustments will be made as they should have been made already. Should that prove to be the case it's going to be a VERY long season on offense. I just hope we don't ruin our young QB in the process.
 
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My man.

Personally, I've never understood narrow splits. I suppose it would limit interior DL mobility but otherwise it seems useless. I feel the same about the wide splits as well unless you have an ultra-mobile, ultra-talented line and you're carrying that throughout the entire field.

@ZRF said basically everything I've been trying to say. Essentially, we compress the field. Now, compressing the field isn't always bad if you have the right personnel. As a 49ers/Michigan fan, I've watched Harbaugh do it for years. What you can do with that is add a bunch of gaps in short space, therefore making the defense more shallow and delivering the RB to the secondary much easy. If you're blockers are really good at what they do, this is a nightmare for opposing defenses because you either have to have your LBs play conservative and allow 5-6 yards a lot or you play them aggressively and hope your safeties clean up messes on the regular. To me, our personnel doesn't seem to fit this. I'd much rather we looked at spreading teams out to give our line a chance.

I think for this offense to find success, they have to get more vertical. Route combos need to be much more varied in their level and we're going to have to put some DBs in conflict. Right now, they face no conflict.

Great follow up to my earlier post and I agree with everything you said completely.
 

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So WHY do we use the narrow splits in the first place? Is that to facilitate runs up the middle? Whats the theory for the uninformed?
In theory, tight splits are supposed to help with combo blocks which we use often to create a running lane. Easier for adjacent OL to get their hips together to control the target. The timing on when to slide off the double team to get to the next level or to cover the open gap is critical and has been off too many times this year.
 
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I both hope and fear that Purdy’s legacy will only get stronger.

Purdy was hung out to dry, a LOT, by poor play calling and scheming. A lot of the issues we are seeing this year were present under Purdy. The big difference is Purdy was: more mobile (willing to be), had a more reliable backfield (Hall), had better safety valves (both Hutch AND Kolar), and had his line play better relative to their opponents than Dekkers' has this year. Another big difference is we ran a lot more TE sets which meant teams couldn't angle their ends (at least not with regularity) like they have this year.

The route level of the receivers and inability for Manning to call plays to fit the protection (Purdy often needed to throw the ball when receivers weren't even into their breaks much like Dekkers) were still major issues under Manning. Brock just had a little more help and a better sense of when to take off and run. The latter won us quite a few games.
 

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Purdy was hung out to dry, a LOT, by poor play calling and scheming. A lot of the issues we are seeing this year were present under Purdy. The big difference is Purdy was: more mobile (willing to be), had a more reliable backfield (Hall), had better safety valves (both Hutch AND Kolar), and had his line play better relative to their opponents than Dekkers' has this year. Another big difference is we ran a lot more TE sets which meant teams couldn't angle their ends (at least not with regularity) like they have this year.

The route level of the receivers and inability for Manning to call plays to fit the protection (Purdy often needed to throw the ball when receivers weren't even into their breaks much like Dekkers) were still major issues under Manning. Brock just had a little more help and a better sense of when to take off and run. The latter won us quite a few games.
100% this. I tried framing it this way in my Joel Gordon/Tom Manning thread, but didn't articulate it quite like you and got roasted for it.
 

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Everyone keeps doing the same things, fine. And we can’t beat it? There are no answers?
 

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Im curious how Bruns frames this one. Does he spend the entire podcast bashing X now to avoid putting any pressure on his golden boys?

Cant hide behind his hate of kickers anymore
 
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