Last year’s viewership among remaining Big 12 and PAC 12 schools less OUT:I am curious why the PAC isn’t in a better position? They still have UW and Oregon. Two almost flagship level schools. Big12 has? OSU and KU for bball? Is it it just strength in numbers?
This is what I don’t understand. People say “Iowa State adds no value” but these stats clearly say otherwise. This isn’t a case of potential eyeballs, these are the numbers of people actually watching the damn games!Last year’s viewership among remaining Big 12 and PAC 12 schools less OUT:
1. Oregon
2. OKie St
3. ISU
4. Baylor
So that would be why for starters.
The difference is people were using that against ISU, who was #27 in viewership and #21 in attendance. We are using it to describe teams that draw like KU and are in the 50s-70s in viewership.I agree with everything you wrote. I just hate to see ISU fans be complicit in the "X school has no redeeming value" position. It was and is used to describe us, and it sucks.
Who are we counting as the NW corner?As someone mentioned before, if I was an ISU fan I would want Oregon and Washington to go to the Big10. This would ensure that the Pac12 implodes and gives the Big12 the best chance of getting the four corners. As long as Oregon and Washington are in the Pac12, they still have a pulse
Because writing for a newspaper, sports site or having Twitter has no requirement to be smart, accurate or know what the hell you are talking about.This is what I don’t understand. People say “Iowa State adds no value” but these stats clearly say otherwise. This isn’t a case of potential eyeballs, these are the numbers of people actually watching the damn games!
The same thing kind of showed when the Rams moved out of St. Louis. Ratings were way down (at least at first, I’m sure they’re better now) when they moved to LA but the franchise got a huge jump in worth solely do to the potential of the market. What the hell is the difference if less people are actually watching them?
The question is if other teams are going to sit around and wait for it.As someone mentioned before, if I was an ISU fan I would want Oregon and Washington to go to the Big10. This would ensure that the Pac12 implodes and gives the Big12 the best chance of getting the four corners. As long as Oregon and Washington are in the Pac12, they still have a pulse
I saw Phi Slamma Jamma in person! @ LSU in 1983-4. Man, could they PLAY!Houston's two periods of dominance in basketball put them on par with majority of Big 12 schools if not above.
If Phi Slamma Jamma happened at ISU it would still be all we ever talked about. Any fan of modern basketball (pro or college) owes some of their fandom to those teams. Those teams gave birth to above the rim basketball.
vs UCF basketball is a legit gripe...but you're adding three good ones along with the one that has zero history
uh, Utah?Who are we counting as the NW corner?
I'm with you. My post wasn't "do you care/want Oregon and Washington." My post was "What do you think Oregon and Washington are going to do (with no Big 10 invite)?"I realy don't care about either Washngton or Oregon. They would be nice to have, but I sense too much drama with those two and most of it not good for the Big Xii. Let's invite ASU, UA, UU and CU and be done with it.
My answer to this is Arizona and Arizona State. They fit REALLY well culture-wise in the new Big 12.The question is if other teams are going to sit around and wait for it.
Colorado circa 2010 is a good allegory. They weren’t agitating for the breakup of of Big XII like Nebraska, A&M and Mizzou were. Nobody was hot after them to jump into a new conference and make waves. But they got an opportunity to jump from the unstable conference to one that was more stable. I have no recollection on the money angle, but it very well could have been more at the time.
So, the question is, who is the Colorado in the PAC? Who could be peeled away, and would that tumble the rest of the conference? If one more jumps, I think the run would be on.
I’d give even odds we’re still at 10 teams when we kick off vs SEMO.Radio silence. Thought there would be more noise this evening.
What sort of drama are you looking at?I realy don't care about either Washngton or Oregon. They would be nice to have, but I sense too much drama with those two and most of it not good for the Big Xii. Let's invite ASU, UA, UU and CU and be done with it.
That would be unfortunate for everybody involved. Tread water while the Big10 and SEC keep working on their grand plans.I’d give even odds we’re still at 10 teams when we kick off vs SEMO.
Not being able to make up their mind whether they should hold out for B1G or not mainly. Just flat out being wishy washy. The Big Xii teams should really want to be in the Big Xii. I think that would be the case with the four corner schools.What sort of drama are you looking at?
I agree with how crazy everything is shaking out but one thing that I keep seeing people throw out like it is an easy thing to do is going independent. That is such and insane minefield that would not only be impossible for most schools but would also involve negotiating a media rights deal just for the school that would make them almost no money and they would be trapped in for years to come.