RECRUITING: Jaren Holmes commits to Iowa State

[BWRhasnoAC]

Nothing like Conditt? Kunc is nothing like Conditt. Ward is rather similar. An apt comparison, although not exactly the same.

More importantly their roles won’t be too different, particularly if we don’t land Basile. It’s more of the same, hopefully just slightly better. We don’t really have a 5 that would result with him playing the 4 much, at least on our accord.

Ward reminds me more of an Anthony Booker than he does Conditt.

 

[Statefan10]

If you're not going to use the space in the lane, there is no good having your 5 handling the ball beyond the 3P line.

Going 4-22 on 3Ps but just 4 FTA is not just personal related. That is a poorly designed or executed offense.

Yep! I think it’s also important to point out that it was incredibly hard against a lot of teams in the Big 12 to be aggressive towards the basket. We didn’t have enough capable ball handlers who could beat a guy off the dribble in this league.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Yep! I think it’s also important to point out that it was incredibly hard against a lot of teams in the Big 12 to be aggressive towards the basket. We didn’t have enough capable ball handlers who could beat a guy off the dribble in this league.

I’ll go back to it. We literally had one guy that was able to initiate any sort of half court offense, and a second that was able to initiate for himself.

Teams denied the ball to Tyrese to force Gabe to bring the ball up and get us into a set, and he struggled with that

Realistically, I really felt like Jaz would have been a second guy to initiate offense, but that wasn’t how he was used.

If you have guys like Caleb and Tre as your secondary guards, there isn’t enough competent dribbling to even beat people off the dribble.

As far as scheme, anytime a big screened and rolled, we rarely if ever gave him the ball.

 

[NWICY]

Lmao. How much money are you willing to wager they’re better? 10k?

Is TJ good with it? Coaches balance risk of getting worse, when they get what they can. That’s never meant they think it’s good enough to improve on the year before. And it’s never been more true in the NIL era.


Last year we were 7-11 and a shot away from not making the tournament with a top-5 defense. Not ideal. TJ wasn’t “good” with a top-170 offense, just as he wasn’t “good” with his UNLV years.

Any yr we make the tourney I consider a success, Take your fandom to Kentucky, North Carolina , or Kansas if you want to buy players and think your team is contending for national championships every yr.

If you want to pony up 100,000 to buy a player for TJ go right ahead.
I cheer for ISU with whoever they put on the court or the field, the pay for play era won't change that for me.
If we really get into the pay part I'll probably be much more critical of the players getting the big dollars, same way I'm critical of a NFL QB when they are bad for the money they are being paid.

 

[Statefan10]

I’ll go back to it. We literally had one guy that was able to initiate any sort of half court offense, and a second that was able to initiate for himself.

Teams denied the ball to Tyrese to force Gabe to bring the ball up and get us into a set, and he struggled with that

Realistically, I really felt like Jaz would have been a second guy to initiate offense, but that wasn’t how he was used.

If you have guys like Caleb and Tre as your secondary guards, there isn’t enough competent dribbling to even bear people off the dribble.

As far as scheme, anytime a big screened and rolled, we rarely if ever gave him the ball.

True. Tyrese and Izaiah were certainly capable drivers and they definitely showed their abilities throughout the year.

Only having two guys capable of breaking people down isn’t enough though. Gabe obviously did have his spurts though.

 

[OnlyCyclones]

I’ll go back to it. We literally had one guy that was able to initiate any sort of half court offense, and a second that was able to initiate for himself.

Teams denied the ball to Tyrese to force Gabe to bring the ball up and get us into a set, and he struggled with that

Realistically, I really felt like Jaz would have been a second guy to initiate offense, but that wasn’t how he was used.

If you have guys like Caleb and Tre as your secondary guards, there isn’t enough competent dribbling to even bear people off the dribble.

As far as scheme, anytime a big screened and rolled, we rarely if ever gave him the ball.

Jaz could barely dribble, too.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Jaz could barely dribble, too.

Absolutely , but he was skilled enough to initiate offense from the elbow where they ran all the offense through.

 

[WhoISthis]

If you want to nitpick my post, have at it. He averaged 12.6 in '20, 8.1 in '19 for PSU, and 4.3 in '17 for the Bonnies. That doesn't translate to "elite scoring".

Nobody predicted IB would be an elite scorer at ISU (except for maybe the coaches) in large part because of those stats. Which is the point I made in the prior post.

Yes, those are the stats.
Doesn’t translate to elite scoring? Don’t result to a straw man.

It’s not nitpicking to say that the example you used to support Holmes possibly being better than thought, was an extreme hyperbole, but mostly a fabrication.

His per 40 points were 2-3 more. I think most thought that possible. It was known we brought him in to be the guy.

 

[c.y.c.l.o.n.e.s]

Here are some highlights. I hope we have someone who can finish lobs like this next year..

 

[WhoISthis]

Yep! I think it’s also important to point out that it was incredibly hard against a lot of teams in the Big 12 to be aggressive towards the basket. We didn’t have enough capable ball handlers who could beat a guy off the dribble in this league.

Agree, but I don’t think it gets better asking Conditt to struggle to get the ball beyond the 3 point line, where even when he gets it, is not a threat. It’s not like we then posted up IB or got the 4 on the low block.

Do it some, but we did it a ton.

Defenses were able to play downhill with that, which just makes everything worse.

 

[Statefan10]

Agree, but I don’t think it gets better asking Conditt to struggle to get the ball beyond the 3 point line, where even when he gets it, is not a threat. It’s not like we then posted up IB or got the 4 on the low block.

Do it some, but we did it a ton.

Defenses were able to play downhill with that, which just makes everything worse.

Posting up IB is something I thought we could’ve done a lot but really never did. I wonder if he just wasn’t comfortable down there or what. I mean, we ran multiple actions to get Gabe posted up..

 

[WhoISthis]

Any yr we make the tourney I consider a success, Take your fandom to Kentucky, North Carolina , or Kansas if you want to buy players and think your team is contending for national championships every yr.

If you want to pony up 100,000 to buy a player for TJ go right ahead.
I cheer for ISU with whoever they put on the court or the field, the pay for play era won't change that for me.
If we really get into the pay part I'll probably be much more critical of the players getting the big dollars, same way I'm critical of a NFL QB when they are bad for the money they are being paid.

Lol. Your meltdown is entertaining.

So, you’re not confident we’re better. Totally agree.

Let me remind you what you got triggered over:
“With Holmes being the pickup next to AJG, I’m not sure it’s overall as good as last year, but a tough offseason to rebuild in.”

Of course TJ is “good” with the signing. That’s hardly a counter to posting the notion we may not be as good next year. I’m not sure why you’re so upset by that thought, but relax.

 

[Statefan10]

Get AJG and Basile/Bates and the roster as a whole looks to be better than last year’s.

Who knows what that means though. Either way it’s exciting.

 

[Klubber]

Yes, those are the stats.
Doesn’t translate to elite scoring? Don’t result to a straw man.

It’s not nitpicking to say that the example you used to support Holmes possibly being better than thought, was an extreme hyperbole, but mostly a fabrication.

His per 40 points were 2-3 more. I think most thought that possible. It was known we brought him in to be the guy.

You're unreal. Strawman? Extreme hyperbole? This doesn't even make sense.

You claimed IB averaged over 12 per in his B1G tenure. Not true. I used an example per IB of "around 8 per game", which then prompted your condescending lecture.

If you think JH's no good, that's fine. I disagree.

 

[Raywswartz]

Completely agree with this. Hell, I'd say Baylor had two freshman who may have been better, but they had a lot less weight to carry. The loss with Hunter is less what he was last year, but so much more about what we think/hope he could have been.

Exactly correct. But the point is he has work to do. And it is not a given that work will happen. He starts behind everyone else being 6 ft. Improving his skills takes work. His actions speak to him wanting immediate gratification. His shot will take a long time to correct with him plating so much basketball already.

 

[Pharmacy99]

You're unreal. Strawman? Extreme hyperbole? This doesn't even make sense.

You claimed IB averaged over 12 per in his B1G tenure. Not true. I used an example per IB of "around 8 per game", which then prompted your condescending lecture.

If you think JH's no good, that's fine. I disagree.

Why does this guy constantly insult posters who disagree with his opinion?

 

[singsing]

People keep talking about how great Hunter was because he was Big XII freshman of the year, but the freshman class didn't exactly light it up in the conference this year. He didn't even make 3rd team all Big XII. In fact he wasn't even included in the honorable mentions. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around that, because Sochan was a freshman who was 6th man of the year and honorable mention, yet Tyrese was freshman of the year but didn't make honorable mention....strange. Regardless, Hunter had a solid freshman campaign, but with him it was more about the promise of what he would become, not that he was all that great last year. Replacing his production from last year is not going to be that hard.

I agree..That shot against LSU made Hunter a lot of money. I definitely liked his game and was looking forward to his progress, but when conference hit he seemed undersized and not physical enough on offense . Very seldom did he drive the lane and take contact. None of the guards from last season seemed able. Hoping Williams and Holmes bring more of that. Green working the perimeter.

 

[singsing]

It was the same with Brockington. Many felt he'd be an 8 pt/per type guy partly based on his time at PSU.

I'm really stoked about JH. I've seen him in some game action with the Bonnies and really like his game.

He looks a lot like Kantrail Horton to me. You see that too?

 

[Psiclone]

He looks a lot like Kantrail Horton to me. You see that too?

He looks solid and can actually use both hand to dribble penetrate. That's refreshing to see.

 

[ChickenNuggetMan]

Get AJG and Basile/Bates and the roster as a whole looks to be better than last year’s.

Who knows what that means though. Either way it’s exciting.

TJ made more out of less this year and I have no reason to believe next year will be any different.