REPORT: Iowa State interested in Wichita State transfer

[isucy86]

I think this guy would be a replacement for Brockington, not Kalscheur. The Jeremiah Williams commitment seems like an upgrade for Trae Jackson.

Our Brockington replacement could be Tre King. He was a 15ppg/6rpg guy at EKU.

I would be VERY surprised if Williams isn't our starting off-guard. He doesn't need to have a Brockington type year, just step up a little bit from a PPG and 3 pt % over last year at Temple.

I expect TJ to sign a 5 this spring who is a big upgrade over the offensive production we got last year from Conditt.

We will probably bring in a 3rd transfer this spring that will push Grill for minutes and the combination of transfer/Grill will be our bench shooter upgrade over Grill/Jackson this past season.

 

[TomTreebow]

Re: 3 pt percentage. For the regular season and big 12 tournament (using the big 12 site for stats here so no NCAA tourney games), there were only 3 players in the big 12 over 40%. 4th was Kunc at 39.8%. So if you round up ISU had one. Guessing it's much harder to shoot that percentage in a P6 conference.

 

[VeloClone]

Re: 3 pt percentage. For the regular season and big 12 tournament (using the big 12 site for stats here so no NCAA tourney games), there were only 3 players in the big 12 over 40%. 4th was Kunc at 39.8%. So if you round up ISU had one. Guessing it's much harder to shoot that percentage in a P6 conference that plays defense.

Fixed for accuracy...

 

[WhoISthis]

Our Brockington replacement could be Tre King. He was a 15ppg/6rpg guy at EKU.

I would be VERY surprised if Williams isn't our starting off-guard. He doesn't need to have a Brockington type year, just step up a little bit from a PPG and 3 pt % over last year at Temple.

I expect TJ to sign a 5 this spring who is a big upgrade over the offensive production we got last year from Conditt.

We will probably bring in a 3rd transfer this spring that will push Grill for minutes and the combination of transfer/Grill will be our bench shooter upgrade over Grill/Jackson this past season.

I’d be surprised if Tre King played the IB role. We need to replace his ability to manufacture points, as much as his averages. Is he even eligible in the fall semester?

A guy that will push Grill for minutes and have an enhanced Jackson role is a tough sell in transfer recruiting imo. You’re basically describing a modest freshman role or a Jones type transfer or a miss. Most of the wings and guards we’ve been linked would compete for starter minutes.

 

[isucy86]

I’d be surprised if Tre King played the IB role. We need to replace his ability to manufacture points, as much as his averages. Is he even eligible in the fall semester?

A guy that will push Grill for minutes and have an enhanced Jackson role is a tough sell in transfer recruiting imo. You’re basically describing a modest freshman role or a Jones type transfer or a miss. Most of the wings and guards we’ve been linked would compete for starter minutes.

I haven't seen anything indicate that King will not be eligible to start the 2022/23 season.

I look for King play the role of high post facilitator. In his game tape, he can put the ball on the floor and isn't afraid to shoot from 3. And at 235lbs, he can probably set a nice pick when we run the P&R. He is a skilled big man that the Cyclones haven't had going back to Georges.

To be part of the guard rotation TJ isn't just selling PT. He is selling playing for an NCAA Tournament team. He's selling playing in the Big12. He's selling playing at Hilton and 14,000 fans. He's selling ISU.

A good player isn't going to be afraid of competition, they just want a fair shot. Some may want to play 30mpg. We run a 3-guard offense, so there are 25-30mpg for a guard coming off the bench. Caleb & Tre combined to average 34mpg.

We are being mentioned with some experienced guards who are big time scorers- I would expect that they feel that can come in and beat out Gabe. Or at a minimum, take Caleb's minutes as the first guy off the bench.

 

[WhoISthis]

I haven't seen anything indicate that King will not be eligible to start the 2022/23 season.

I look for King play the role of high post facilitator. In his game tape, he can put the ball on the floor and isn't afraid to shoot from 3. And at 235lbs, he can probably set a nice pick when we run the P&R. He is a skilled big man that the Cyclones haven't had going back to Georges.

To be part of the guard rotation TJ isn't just selling PT. He is selling playing for an NCAA Tournament team. He's selling playing in the Big12. He's selling playing at Hilton and 14,000 fans. He's selling ISU.

A good player isn't going to be afraid of competition, they just want a fair shot. Some may want to play 30mpg. We run a 3-guard offense, so there are 25-30mpg for a guard coming off the bench. Caleb & Tre combined to average 34mpg.

We are being mentioned with some experienced guards who are big time scorers- I would expect that they feel that can come in and beat out Gabe. Or at a minimum, take Caleb's minutes as the first guy off the bench.

“He’s a skilled big man that the Cyclones haven’t had going back to Georges”

??? Yeah, that’s crazy optimistic. I doubt he’s as skilled as Kunc or Enaruna, although hopefully more productive. Scotty mentioned he’s more that above the rim finisher and out of area rebounder. I’m just hoping for an efficient guy that does a lot good without needing the ball. Which isn’t the IB role. And he needs a wavier to play in the fall.

You previously alluded to a reserve that would eat into Grills minutes. If you mean we’re going to sign a Big 12 starter quality guy to help replace IB, which likely pushes Grill to Jackson’s 5th guard role, I agree. We’re selling guys on the IB role Imo. It may not turn out to be one-to-one replacement, but transfers will see the opportunity for big usage

 

[Statefan10]

FWIW we’re not going to take a guy just because they have a high 3 pt %. And elite players who also have a 40+ 3 pt % aren’t going to come to ISU, yet. Not that we won’t ever get those guys but it’s just not likely at this time.

I’d rather have a defensive minded guy who shoots 33% from 3 than a below average defensive guy who shoots 40% from 3. But that’s just me and I know some may not agree. Now, having both would be absolutely gravy but that’s wishful thinking.

 

[WhoISthis]

FWIW we’re not going to take a guy just because they have a high 3 pt %. And elite players who also have a 40+ 3 pt % aren’t going to come to ISU, yet. Not that we won’t ever get those guys but it’s just not likely at this time.

I’d rather have a defensive minded guy who shoots 33% from 3 than a below average defensive guy who shoots 40% from 3. But that’s just me and I know some may not agree. Now, having both would be absolutely gravy but that’s wishful thinking.

On your last point, I think we have a good chance at 3 and D wings or guards. We’re in on several.

On the first, are there any elite players with 40+ 3P% on the market? I don’t know if it’s 40%, but AJ Green is a pretty elite player imo.

 

[Statefan10]

On your last point, I think we have a good chance at 3 and D wings or guards. We’re in on several.

On the first, are there any elite players with 40+ 3P% on the market? I don’t know if it’s 40%, but AJ Green is a pretty elite player imo.

Oh he’s elite. We just have a relationship that no other team in the nation does.

 

[Cyclad]

I haven't seen anything indicate that King will not be eligible to start the 2022/23 season.

I look for King play the role of high post facilitator. In his game tape, he can put the ball on the floor and isn't afraid to shoot from 3. And at 235lbs, he can probably set a nice pick when we run the P&R. He is a skilled big man that the Cyclones haven't had going back to Georges.

To be part of the guard rotation TJ isn't just selling PT. He is selling playing for an NCAA Tournament team. He's selling playing in the Big12. He's selling playing at Hilton and 14,000 fans. He's selling ISU.

A good player isn't going to be afraid of competition, they just want a fair shot. Some may want to play 30mpg. We run a 3-guard offense, so there are 25-30mpg for a guard coming off the bench. Caleb & Tre combined to average 34mpg.

We are being mentioned with some experienced guards who are big time scorers- I would expect that they feel that can come in and beat out Gabe. Or at a minimum, take Caleb's minutes as the first guy off the bench.

He probably will not be eligible, after all, the ncaa must crack down on somebody. Certainly not the national champions.

 

[CyPunch]

Re: 3 pt percentage. For the regular season and big 12 tournament (using the big 12 site for stats here so no NCAA tourney games), there were only 3 players in the big 12 over 40%. 4th was Kunc at 39.8%. So if you round up ISU had one. Guessing it's much harder to shoot that percentage in a P6 conference.

Don't know who the 3rd one is but my takeaway from that stat is that Nigel Pack and Ochai Agbaji are really good. Glad Nigel Pack will now be the Big Ten's problem

 

[TomTreebow]

Don't know who the 3rd one is but my takeaway from that stat is that Nigel Pack and Ochai Agbaji are really good. Glad Nigel Pack will now be the Big Ten's problem

Bryson Williams who shot 28% the year before at UTEP. Glad he'll be moving on as well. All hail Jaz Kunc, returning Big XII 3 pt % leader.

 

[RezClone]

40% from three as a freshman to 29% as a senior makes me a little hesitant

Where have we seen a player like this before?

 

[WastedTalent]

Bryson Williams who shot 28% the year before at UTEP. Glad he'll be moving on as well. All hail Jaz Kunc, returning Big XII 3 pt % leader.

LJ Cryer soph from Baylor actually lead the Big 12 in 3 point shooting this year. 52/111 47%. He got hurt in February, only played 19 games.

 

[TomTreebow]

LJ Cryer soph from Baylor actually lead the Big 12 in 3 point shooting this year. 52/111 47%. He got hurt in February, only played 19 games.

Huh, he even shot more than those on the list. Not sure why he's not included.

 

[WastedTalent]

Huh, he even shot more than those on the list. Not sure why he's not included.

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He shot 26/54 48% in 9 big 12 games, so maybe he didn't play enough games to qualify for official Big 12 statistics.

 

[Clone95]

I really hope they can work with Jaz and get him to be more aggressive, offensively. He has the 3 pt shot, seems to have good handles for a 6'8" player. Would love to see more of him using that pump fake and driving like when he spun Tanner Groves around against OU.

 

[TomTreebow]

I really hope they can work with Jaz and get him to be more aggressive, offensively. He has the 3 pt shot, seems to have good handles for a 6'8" player. Would love to see more of him using that pump fake and driving like when he spun Tanner Groves around against OU.

I think the key for Jaz is he needs more talent around him which TJ is in the process of adding. You get a big that can we can dump it to downlow and some more guards that can handle and distribute and then defenses will have to help off of Jaz and we can get him more set shots.

If he can add what you describe then that would be great, but as a 5th year senior, he may be what he is at this point. Which is a perfect glue guy - high shooting percentage, good positional defense, and low turnover guy. A perfect fit on good teams and essentially what Caleb Grill can be too. Just need to raise the talent level around them which is in process. I loved that move on Groves but that may have been more indicative of Groves' defense than Jaz's offensive ability haha.

 

[isucy86]

“He’s a skilled big man that the Cyclones haven’t had going back to Georges”

??? Yeah, that’s crazy optimistic. I doubt he’s as skilled as Kunc or Enaruna, although hopefully more productive. Scotty mentioned he’s more that above the rim finisher and out of area rebounder. I’m just hoping for an efficient guy that does a lot good without needing the ball. Which isn’t the IB role. And he needs a wavier to play in the fall.

You previously alluded to a reserve that would eat into Grills minutes. If you mean we’re going to sign a Big 12 starter quality guy to help replace IB, which likely pushes Grill to Jackson’s 5th guard role, I agree. We’re selling guys on the IB role Imo. It may not turn out to be one-to-one replacement, but transfers will see the opportunity for big usage

Have you watched King's tape? Yes, he is better than Kunc and Enaruna. Last time I looked coaches don't recruit highly skilled but NOT PRODUCTIVE players. That's like saying I have world class speed, but my best 40 time is 6.0.

He isn't the 3 point shooter Kunc is, but light years ahead of Enaruna. Where King is better, he can get his own shot. He can dribble drive and has the athleticism to finish around the basket in traffic.

I expect that Williams was signed to start. Not necessarily fill IB's role as primary scorer. I think those roles will be fille by King, Hunter and possibly a post transfer.

And we will sign another shooting guard. If he starts over Gabe, great. But at a minimum he will push Grill for minutes. If a player is good- he will have the confidence to compete for minutes. We have 120 mpg at the PG & WG positions to split between 4 or 5 guys. With TJ's emphasis on defense, I don't think we'll see guys playing 35+ mpg like we did under Hoiberg and Prohm.

 

[WhoISthis]

Have you watched King's tape? Yes, he is better than Kunc and Enaruna. Last time I looked coaches don't recruit highly skilled but NOT PRODUCTIVE players. That's like saying I have world class speed, but my best 40 time is 6.0.

He isn't the 3 point shooter Kunc is, but light years ahead of Enaruna. Where King is better, he can get his own shot. He can dribble drive and has the athleticism to finish around the basket in traffic.

I expect that Williams was signed to start. Not necessarily fill IB's role as primary scorer. I think those roles will be fille by King, Hunter and possibly a post transfer.

And we will sign another shooting guard. If he starts over Gabe, great. But at a minimum he will push Grill for minutes. If a player is good- he will have the confidence to compete for minutes. We have 120 mpg at the PG & WG positions to split between 4 or 5 guys. With TJ's emphasis on defense, I don't think we'll see guys playing 35+ mpg like we did under Hoiberg and Prohm.

Who said anything about highly skilled? That's a strawman. I said I doubt King is as skilled as Kunc and Enaruna. They're better shooters. Better handle. Better feel on offense. The staff (as well as KU) recruited Enaruna- he is skilled. He was not productive.

King could be better, as in have more production, but I doubt he is more skilled.. If he plays defense and rebounds well, he'll get a lot of PT, which goes a long ways to production. He'll be able to finish when the skill of other does a lot of the work- including Kunc and hopefully Basile.

And you're crazy to say 'he's a skilled big man that the Cyclones haven’t had going back to Georges" That would make the most blatant homer blush. Put the highlight tape down.

Yep, we will sign another guard/wing. And he "won't eat into Grill's minutes", he'll be a major contributor and push Grill to the Jackson role.