Steve Prohm returns as head coach at Murray State

[cyIclSoneU]

Kenpom refers to conferences in three tiers:

Power 6 - Big 12, B1G, ACC, SEC, Pac-12, Big East
At-Large Quality - American, MVC, WCC, A-10, Mtn West
Mid-Major - everyone else

“At-Large Quality” means the league is good enough to produce an at large tournament team, even if it doesn’t do so every year. I would put the MVC at the bottom of that ALQ tier, but still a decent cut above all the mid-major leagues.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

I remember when Fred was hired by NU, those who just hated Steve were willing to bet the farm Fred would have NU back in the tourney before ISU with Steve. And were actually hoping that would happen.

Well..........here you go guys.

 

[CycloneEggie]

Kenpom refers to conferences in three tiers:

Power 6 - Big 12, B1G, ACC, SEC, Pac-12, Big East
At-Large Quality - American, MVC, WCC, A-10, Mtn West
Mid-Major - everyone else

“At-Large Quality” means the league is good enough to produce an at large tournament team, even if it doesn’t do so every year. I would put the MVC at the bottom of that ALQ tier, but still a decent cut above all the mid-major leagues.

Agree,

Prior to Big East and AAC raiding the likes of Creighton, Wichita St, the MVC was going to get one or both of those teams in as an At-Large. UNI was probably close as well. Loyola raised the bar and the MVC probably gets them as an at large this year if they didn't win the conference. Heck it happened last year with Drake getting into the first 4.

Moving forward adding Belmont and Murray St, probably gives the MVC the ability to get at large bids again, both of those OVC schools have gotten at large bids recently? Had Murry not won the OVC this year they probably get in as an at large. They were what a 7 seed?

 

[8bitnes]

I remember when Fred was hired by NU, those who just hated Steve were willing to bet the farm Fred would have NU back in the tourney before ISU with Steve. And were actually hoping that would happen.

Well..........here you go guys.

If the big ten is going to keep getting 9/14 teams the opportunity for Fred to get thru exists. However, he's probably approaching his final season in Lincoln, so he better have a good spring in the transfer in/out marketplace.

 

[cyclones500]

Agree,

Prior to Big East and AAC raiding the likes of Creighton, Wichita St, the MVC was going to get one or both of those teams in as an At-Large. UNI was probably close as well. Loyola raised the bar and the MVC probably gets them as an at large this year if they didn't win the conference. Heck it happened last year with Drake getting into the first 4.

Moving forward adding Belmont and Murray St, probably gives the MVC the ability to get at large bids again, both of those OVC schools have gotten at large bids recently? Had Murry not won the OVC this year they probably get in as an at large. They were what a 7 seed?

To your last question, yes, Murray would have been a lock this season for at-large.

As for previous years, I'd have to dig a bit. It has occurred but I'm thinking it's infrequent.

 

[Trice]

The NCAA twists the knife with its photo selection on Steve's big day.

 

[clonehome]

Well, he will become a lifer there and probably turn them into a perennial at-large contender regardless of winning the Missouri Valley.

Would be great for his family with their connections to the area. He's set for life financially.

Will raise the water on the entire Missouri Valley. I look at the WCC with Gonzaga. Having to try and compete with Gonzaga raised the talent of that conference. Theoretically, if Gonzaga had left that conference a decade ago, I'd be willing to be they would be a 1 bid league

 

[cyclones500]

Agree,

Prior to Big East and AAC raiding the likes of Creighton, Wichita St, the MVC was going to get one or both of those teams in as an At-Large. UNI was probably close as well. Loyola raised the bar and the MVC probably gets them as an at large this year if they didn't win the conference. Heck it happened last year with Drake getting into the first 4.

Moving forward adding Belmont and Murray St, probably gives the MVC the ability to get at large bids again, both of those OVC schools have gotten at large bids recently? Had Murry not won the OVC this year they probably get in as an at large. They were what a 7 seed?

Follow-up to my previous response .. even more rare than I guessed -- OVC got an at-large in 2019 ... next-most-recent, '87

OVC Places Two Teams in NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament For First Time Since 1987

• NCAA Interactive Bracket | PDF Bracket

ovcsports.com

 

[Bestaluckcy]

I wish CSP the best. Hope this is a win win similar to GMAC experienced when he left. Be a good thing if we have some demand for picking up the “trash” around here.

 

[CycloneEggie]

To your last question, yes, Murray would have been a lock this season for at-large.

As for previous years, I'd have to dig a bit. It has occurred but I'm thinking it's infrequent.

It happened in 2019. But that might have been more about Ja Morant being at Murray then anything else.

That being said there is a stretch in 2010-currently that either Belmont or Murray was good for a first round upset.

 

[clonehome]

Good for him. I see no pressure with this move. He’s sitting on a huge bankroll from ISU so it doesn’t matter what Murray pays him and expectations and competition will never come close to Iowa State and the Big 12. Plus Murray enters the Valley with one of the top 2 or 3 programs along with UNI and Drake with Loyola leaving. This is a good landing spot for Steve because I don’t think many good mid-major programs would hire him as badly as he flamed out at ISU. All that said, I don’t think Darian Devries or Ben Jacobson are too concerned. They will coach circles around Steve.

 

[CascadeClone]

I have to assume that if CW needs some coin to make a down payment on a new boat, he just starts up a thread on Prohm or Fred. The ensuing ad revenue from the 500 post insta-thread has to be amazing.

 

[DSM4Cy]

Going to buy a Murray shirt and will plan to watch their games often. Wife is a UNI grad so I won't cheer for them in those games, but will for everything else.

I like Steve and want him to succeed. He came into a very challenging situation at ISU where he had to be perfect from day 1 and had to adapt who he was to a group of guys he didn't recruit and who didn't really have any desire to play for him. Whoever came after Fred was always going to be judged too harshly at first, IMO, and would have a really hard time finding success here. Now, in the end it obviously didn't work out for all the reasons that have been discussed at length, but I think he'll do well again at Murray and will have learned a ton from his time at Iowa State. Once a Cyclone, always a Cyclone.

 

[mynameisjonas]

Going to buy a Murray shirt and will plan to watch their games often. Wife is a UNI grad so I won't cheer for them in those games, but will for everything else.

I like Steve and want him to succeed. He came into a very challenging situation at ISU where he had to be perfect from day 1 and had to adapt who he was to a group of guys he didn't recruit and who didn't really have any desire to play for him. Whoever came after Fred was always going to be judged too harshly at first, IMO, and would have a really hard time finding success here. Now, in the end it obviously didn't work out for all the reasons that have been discussed at length, but I think he'll do well again at Murray and will have learned a ton from his time at Iowa State. Once a Cyclone, always a Cyclone.

I will follow Steve just as much as I follow Fred, zero.

 

[carvers4math]

I have to assume that if CW needs some coin to make a down payment on a new boat, he just starts up a thread on Prohm or Fred. The ensuing ad revenue from the 500 post insta-thread has to be amazing.

Hate a stronger emotion than love on CF

 

[8bitnes]

So it's THT's fault? That's awfully creative. I don't think this is the place to rehash everything, that's been done over and over. But that one is certainly a new angle

Hey, @CychiatricWard why does this get a dumb rating? I was calling out the fallacy that it was THT's fault for being a one and done that derailed prohm's career

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Good for Prohm, I was one of those saying, "let's give him one more season and see how it goes, before we rush to judgement." As it turns out, I was wrong, and as the season went on last year, you could almost feel sorry for the man, in his dead man walking and just gave up.

Prohm does a great job getting and playing up guards, 3 in the league, but he never understood that in a power conference you have to have someone in the middle that is a threat to score. Maybe you can get away without that at the Murry States of the world, but not in the Big 12. None of our bigs developed any sort of an outside shot and that lack of development hurts the team now, even though Prohm has been gone a year.

Not every coach is cut out to play against the Kansas's and the like a couple times of year, and Prohm is one of those, hope he finds success returning to his roots and glad he is gone.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I will follow Steve just as much as I follow Fred, zero.

 

[wcbsas]

To this day I don't understand how they got an invite to the Big East. Possibly the worst geographical fit in college sports. Nevertheless, they do compete.

Jesuit basketball league of America … Marquette, Creighton, Nova …

 

[carvers4math]

Jesuit basketball league of America … Marquette, Creighton, Nova …

Nova is Augustinian I think