Big XII to add schools within days?

[BearcatsUc]

I think he is trying to say even if Cincy has 15% of the Ohio market at 11.7M it generates a higher number of fans than ISU does at 40% of 3.3M. 15% was not meant to be exact but to show the point.

You put a regional game on here, people here will watch it. Will they watch Ohio State more than UC? Yup. But they rarely play at the same time. O$U plays at 8pm on Saturday night on ABC. UC plays Friday night on ESPN2.

There are a lot of people here and they watch football.

I think a ton more people here will become much more familiar with ISU. It’s not that they don’t know the school, it’s more that they will be tuned into what they are doing.

 

[WhoISthis]

Even if you got half the households in CA, Oregon and WA as new subscribers to BTN (very generous) and the carriage fee and number of subscribers bucks trends and doesn’t go down (very generous), a 22 league would get maybe an extra $5 mil in carriage fees per year. Now you are probably devaluing big 10 games vs current because ratings suggest that’s probably the case. It’s a very high risk for the Big 10 for what the upside is. I still say USC and Oregon would be mutually beneficial to all sides. Adding more than that, probably much more benefit to the team than the Big10.

An extra $5 million/year? In 2018 the in-market carriage fees for BIG was $1.3/month. If you're getting in-market on half the households in those states, it helps justify adding 8 or 9.

Current ratings say that? What have the ratings been for BIG-Pac12 matchups? Perhaps the BIG is that far behind the SEC, but I would assume being in more markets and timezones would mean ratings increase.

In terms of upside, I assume some of that is there being an actual reason for the Alliance. A common good, albeit perhaps not profit maximizing outcome desired. I don't think USC goes to the BIG without

 

[BearcatsUc]

How many years have you lived in Iowa?

The two are not comparable.

i’ve done a good job detailing why that’s the case.

 

[WhoISthis]

i’ve done a good job detailing why that’s the case.

You say this having never lived in Iowa?

You acknowledge you're in a larger state, in a larger metro, but yet your fanbase is small, albeit growing? If the percentage breakdown between ISU and Iowa were similar to Ohio St and UC, Iowa State would be in the Missouri Valley.

The comparison to UC/OSU is UNI/Iowa. Having lived in both states.

 

[Clonedogg]

You put a regional game on here, people here will watch it. Will they watch Ohio State more than UC? Yup. But they rarely play at the same time. O$U plays at 8pm on Saturday night on ABC. UC plays Friday night on ESPN2.

There are a lot of people here and they watch football.

I think a ton more people here will become much more familiar with ISU. It’s not that they don’t know the school, it’s more that they will be tuned into what they are doing.

So...you're saying adding UC is ISU's way into the B1G

 

[Win5002]

I live in Raleigh. No tobacco road school will ever leave the ACC barring it's collapse. It's not the same mindset as other schools have. This is THEIR conference. duke, UNC, NC State will never separate, and they won't leave the ACC

If those schools can increase their tv money 600M over 15 years, it has a way of changing your mind

 

[BearcatsUc]

So...you're saying adding UC is ISU's way into the B1G

lol, no. I suppose regional exposure can solidify fan opinions, but not sure how far that goes towards including another team from a small state.

I’d guess that the B1G’s wish list would include ACC blue bloods. the only way i see that happening is if Clemson/FL State bolt to the SEC.

 

[BearcatsUc]

USF - talk about a school that screwed the pooch

 

[browns4cy]

Since it sounds like we are runner stamping these 4 teams I think we go big for the next teams. I think we try to get Minnesota and like a northwestern.

 

[BearcatsUc]

You say this having never lived in Iowa?

You acknowledge you're in a larger state, in a larger metro, but yet your fanbase is small, albeit growing? If the percentage breakdown between ISU and Iowa were similar to Ohio St and UC, Iowa State would be in the Missouri Valley.

The comparison to UC/OSU is UNI/Iowa. Having lived in both states.

Having lived in reality, I won’t begin to address the glaring deficiencies with your position.

Anyway, I love a good debate, but I’m here for fun, not to argue. Life is too short.

 

[dafarmer]

I can't wait to watch Vanderbilt in the NFL-Lite league. I will just watch a crappy NFL team instead, like my Bears.

 

[WhoISthis]

Having lived in reality, I won’t begin to address the glaring deficiencies with your position.

Anyway, I love a good debate, but I’m here for fun, not to argue. Life is too short.

Come back to reality, and stop posting this nonsense that you're anything but the UNI of Ohio.

LMAO, Iowa St and Iowa are not like Cincy and Ohio St.

 

[Rods79]

You put a regional game on here, people here will watch it. Will they watch Ohio State more than UC? Yup. But they rarely play at the same time. O$U plays at 8pm on Saturday night on ABC. UC plays Friday night on ESPN2.

There are a lot of people here and they watch football.

I think a ton more people here will become much more familiar with ISU. It’s not that they don’t know the school, it’s more that they will be tuned into what they are doing.

I think you’ve just agreed with me. The networks are not static, I’m sure you know, but you’d be coming into a conference where we play in very similar timeslots to Ohio State. This ain’t Friday on ESPN-land anymore.

 

[BearcatsUc]

I think you’ve just agreed with me. The networks are not static, I’m sure you know, but you’d be coming into a conference where we play in very similar timeslots to Ohio State. This ain’t Friday on ESPN-land anymore.

Well, the time slots will be better but they won’t be Ohio State time slots. I’m guessing that the new B12 will get crappier time slots without TX and OK.

I personally have no interest in the college football blue bloods. Alabama, Ohio State…bore me. I won’t boost their ratings. The consolidation of power to teams like these is killing college football.

And while I’m thinking about it, UC draws about 3,000 students from the Columbus area, 3,000 from Akron/Cleveland, and 2,300 from Dayton. It’s just as much a state school as O$U where Ohio families pay good money to UC. They go home with their UC sweatshirts and UC degrees and continue to cheer for the Bearcats.

OK, enough of that…

 

[Buzzer68]

Why in the hell did the big 12 wait til know to invite new members??
Should of been trying to grow since 2011.

 

[RustShack]

Why in the hell did the big 12 wait til know to invite new members??
Should of been trying to grow since 2011.

Because Texas didn’t want to. They shot down adding Clemson and Florida St. They wanted TCU instead of Houston, or more OK with TCU but wanted no part of Houston.

 

[BearcatsUc]

I can't wait to watch Vanderbilt in the NFL-Lite league. I will just watch a crappy NFL team instead, like my Bears.

Long term, one has to wonder what happens to the Vanderbilts, Wake Forests - and even TCUs of the world.

 

[CaptainEric37]

I get that these are probably the 4 best options that are available at this time. It's not like Clemson would jump to the B12.

What I don't understand - and I'm sure there must be some logic to it - is why is there such a hurry to name these 4?

We don't know when OU and Texass will actually leave. They say they're staying until 24/25. But if they don't then we have 8 teams and we need 10 for our TV contracts and to have a CCG. Teams from the AAC need to give 27 months notice. So making arrangements now makes sense. They may not actually join until 23/24.

 

[jdoggivjc]

We don't know when OU and Texass will actually leave. They say they're staying until 24/25. But if they don't then we have 8 teams and we need 10 for our TV contracts and to have a CCG. Teams from the AAC need to give 27 months notice. So making arrangements now makes sense. They may not actually join until 23/24.

And if this all ends up being a "business as usual" ploy until UT and OU pay their settlements, then the Big 10, Pac 12, and ACC invites start rolling in, then boy are these four schools ****ed over.

Not saying this is going to happen, but I'm not taking it off the table, either.

 

[carvers4math]

If the ending point for the SEC & B1G is 24 each. I think the next big battle is over North Carolina assuming ND would never choose the SEC. I think both leagues want NC and from comments I have read NC is torn academics want the B1G and athletics want the SEC.

If the B1G gets ND,NC, & Va. and Duke (I could see the B1G agreeing to take Duke to influence NC). That leaves at most 6 spots left from west of the conference to go to 24. Also, the B1G could want Ga. Tech for recruiting but I would see the SEC offer Ga. Tech to block the B1G from going that far south. If the B1G is limited to 6 more teams I think USC, UCLA,OR. and UW are 4. Who gets the final 2 out of Cal or Stanford, Col., KU, ISU(I think the chances are slim)? This is why I think its hard for ISU to get a spot in the B1G. If NC chose the SEC the only possible school I see the B1G taking from the ACC is Va. I doubt they take Duke with Va. or NC St. with Va. if they lose out on NC. So then the B1G has 9 spots if Va. is taken alone.

The spots in the SEC on the other hand are interesting if they lose out on NC. I think FSU & Clemson are no brainers. I think they would take Va. Tech and NC St. also but that still leaves 4 spots. I think KU & ISU could have a better chance at the SEC in this scenario. There are no obvious picks for the SEC final 4 schools. If the B1G got most of the academic additions the SEC might want to elevate its academic profile, ISU & KU are two new states and they fit in well as geographic partners for Missouri and OU. Even though ISU is playing very good football right now, long term the SEC might want some perceived easier wins for their schools.

Some ISU fans that really want the B1G might think this is anti-ISU which it isn't. The SEC exposure might give ISU an advantage over Iowa going forward with respect to football recruiting. I think the B1G really blew it by not getting OU & UT, they needed access to Texas.

I do not believe Notre Dame will go to the Big 10. The institutional memory is long regarding Yost at Michigan and his efforts to destroy ND by getting other teams to refuse to play them out of his hatred of Catholics. Ohio State was not much better. Eventually led to ND playing USC and Stanford