NCAA- Supreme Court ruling

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I get where football and men's basketball players are coming from.. but how is this going to effect the non revenue generating sports at most schools really? does everyone get the same share across the board or what? the rich will just get richer and others will suffer because of it? does something need to be done? Yes... but lets get something that benefits all involved not just those with the most to gain from it..
 
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I am no fan of the NCAA, but I do fear the unintended consequences of this. As bad as the wealth and talent gap is now, it will only get worse if they officially open up the cash floodgates.
No it won't. Kids are already getting paid a **** ton. Bama already gets everyone. This won't do crap to FBS football but could ruin Olympic sports
 

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I was reading about that exact thing, and how in retrospect, the NCAA should have allowed players to unionize because the collectively bargained agreements wouldn't be subject to the antitrust laws that the SCOTUS ruled apply to them, today. Hindsight tho...

Today’s problems were yesterday’s solutions. They had a chance to take action, balked, and are now facing the results of that.
 

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I’m interested in what the contracts will look like for these employees (when it comes to that). Will they include non compete clauses and buyouts? How will high schools help kids pick an agent?

These kids generate a ton of money for schools, they deserve a piece of it, but their needs to be a plan in place to deal with a ton of issues most people never think about
 

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Seems like this could lead to collegiate athletics losing its tax exempt status since student-athletes would in effect become employees. If that were to happen, look out. That means the BILLIONS of dollars that are generated for university athletic departments across the country would all of the sudden become taxable.
 

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Seems like this could lead to collegiate athletics losing its tax exempt status since student-athletes would in effect become employees. If that were to happen, look out. That means the BILLIONS of dollars that are generated for university athletic departments across the country would all of the sudden become taxable.
Would it? Schools have plenty of employees already and it doesn't affect their tax status. They rake in giant amounts of cash for sports and it hasn't caused them to lose their status. I'm not necessarily opposed to them having to pay taxes, but tax exempt entities are allowed to pay their employees.
 

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I appreciate the concerns that people raise. Some of them are totally valid, but none of them are so earth shattering that it justifies suppressing the free market in this circumstance. Yes, there will be dirty actors. There are dirty actors now. Yes some Olympic sports may end up getting cut. It's not the football/basketball players responsibility to prop up other sports. Figuring out how to pay for it all is the job of the administrators, and they have been able to artificially curb the cost of labor for way too long. Get creative. Innovate. Welcome to the way the rest of the world works
Wont this work it's way down into high school sports as well? Especially AAU.
 
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I think it’s ******** that kids get paid to play a game that lines the pockets of millionaires.
They already get paid. This would just allow certain athletes to get paid more, and potentially other athletes to get paid less, or not at all. I'm all for the free market, but it's going to come with a price. I hope the same fans hoping for a free market in NCAA sports don't bi*** when non revenue generating sports are axed.
 

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Would it? Schools have plenty of employees already and it doesn't affect their tax status. They rake in giant amounts of cash for sports and it hasn't caused them to lose their status. I'm not necessarily opposed to them having to pay taxes, but tax exempt entities are allowed to pay their employees.

I'm certainly no expert on this topic, but I believe the tax exempt status of collegiate athletics is based in large part upon its amateur status, something which gets much more difficult to defend when the athletes themselves are paid salaries and the coaches are paid millions.
 

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This is so Iowa State timing. Like Woody's punch just when football was going to take off. Now we've got pay to play and an AD who opposes it. Classic. Just when we get seriously competitive.
 

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I'm certainly no expert on this topic, but I believe the tax exempt status of collegiate athletics is based in large part upon its amateur status, something which gets much more difficult to defend when the athletes themselves are paid salaries and the coaches are paid millions.
Tax-exempt status is not based on a amateurism, or sports at all. It's based on the fact that educational institutions are not taxed.

Here's the IRS code that covers it. Doesn't mention sports at all.
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I think it’s ******** that kids get paid to play a game that lines the pockets of millionaires.
I get what your saying but this is more complex than that and there’s serious ramifications on many levels of this. I’m not saying let’s not pay them but if we’re gonna do it, let’s do it intelligently.
 

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I get where football and men's basketball players are coming from.. but how is this going to effect the non revenue generating sports at most schools really? does everyone get the same share across the board or what? the rich will just get richer and others will suffer because of it? does something need to be done? Yes... but lets get something that benefits all involved not just those with the most to gain from it..
I get what you are saying, but I have been at many ISU football games where they announce, "the volleyball teams has a game tonight, and by showing your football ticket you are admitted for free." How much are woman's basketball tickets per game compared to the men's?

It not fair, but there are few things in life that are, we are going to end up with a system where the revenue producing sports athletes will be getting paid extra and then non revenue sports will continue like they are getting just a scholarship. When one of those athletes sue to get paid, they will also then lose that, because they are not making money for the university, it sucks, but that is just the way it is. Start showing a profit for your sport, then those kids will get paid too, until then, its not going to happen.

As to helping the Alabama's of the world more, how much more can it, they and 4 or 5 other schools have cornered the market on the best players, this will not change that for them, but it might open it up for other schools that can afford to tell a player, "I know you really like Alabama, but we can offer you 25K to sign for us." It will also put a stop to students in the transfer portal, when they are getting paid, they are giving up their opportunity to leave.
 
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That's why the simplest way to fix this is just let players get endorsements. An OL isn't gonna make as much as a QB and a women's cross country runner won't get as much as the OL. Everyone is entitled to the free food education housing and whatever small stipend they get.

Beyond that then it's up to the individual players to be good enough and a big enough name to be marketable.
The white elephant in the room is going to be during recruitment. "If you come and play with us, we will give you an a new Maserati." If you make first string, we will buy the gas."
 

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The white elephant in the room is going to be during recruitment. "If you come and play with us, we will give you an a new Maserati." If you make first string, we will buy the gas."

I don’t think everyone is calling for athletes to be paid directly by the school. But I’d hope we can all agree that not restricting them to earn outside revenue off of their ability to play football or basketball is a good place to start. If some local car dealership wants to pay Brock Purdy to do an ad spot, let them.
 

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I don’t think everyone is calling for athletes to be paid directly by the school. But I’d hope we can all agree that not restricting them to earn outside revenue off of their ability to play football or basketball is a good place to start. If some local car dealership wants to pay Brock Purdy to do an ad spot, let them.
Somebody like Hickory Park should pay the O-Line to do a commercial. That’d be pretty amazing. Lol
 

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Eventually the vast amounts of revenue generated by collegiate athletics would have to be shared by those whose efforts earned them. Of course the athletes have a right to it - after all, it's not slave labor. Those who would argue that a full-ride scholarship is payment enough aren't seeing the hypocrisy.

Speaking of that topic, the NCAA also has to know that their hypocrisy will soon be realized for all its shabbiness. Their pious proclamations ring pretty hollow in the face of billions of dollars of revenue.
 

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Some of the comments left my jaw open. Though the decision was limited, the door has been opened to more wide spread changes. The future of college sports, IMO, lies in the ability of the NCAA to maintain 'fairness'. Which, has been dealt a severe blow. If, as expected, college athletes start to command salaries, the entire college landscape will significantly change. We're fortunate the internet can better regionalize interest. But I see a splintering of divisions with only the wealthy institutions being able to compete. The media market will determine these favoring urban schools and leaving rural schools to fight more aggressively. This is a sad state. The courts only uphold laws. So, the blame squarely falls on our lawmakers for not establishing different competition laws for educational institutions. But, hey. It is what it is.
 

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Time for ISU to set up player residuals. "Hey, Mike Rose, I am going to give you a Maserati when you agree to come play for us. (And, oh by the way), If you end up playing for the NFL, you pay us 3% of all future earnings. Fair, enuf?
 

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