I'd also argue that he struggled to properly use the quality guys he was able to recruit while they were here. Of your list, I think you could easily say Wiggy, THT, Lard and Bolton were misused at times.
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I'd also argue that he struggled to properly use the quality guys he was able to recruit while they were here. Of your list, I think you could easily say Wiggy, THT, Lard and Bolton were misused at times.
Sure you are going to have misses but the problem is you can't have just a few guys that work out and then a ton of misses. That is what happened with McDermott as well. If you surround a couple guys that are legit with other guys that should be playing at South Alabama, you aren't going to win in the Big 12. ISU's talent level the last two years is at the bottom of the conference with TCU and KSU. And the early departures show where his transfer recruiting has failed.
That argument is hilarious because it was thrown around the most in year 3 when we were having a down year. In that down year we had..
Nick Babb - 4th year JR
Lindell Wigginton - 5 star FR
Donovon Jackson - Elite shooter
Cameron Lard - 4 star who was All Big 12
Solomon Young - What seemed to be a great young piece
That 5 was solid enough that if we had ANY consistent bench pieces, we would've been a tournament team. I understand why we didn't have consistent bench guys in year 1 of Prohm, but year 3?? You kidding me?
Yes. If Prohm leaves, I could see there being mass exodus. Kind of think there could be even if he stays, honestly. Not outside the realm of possibility that we play with under 10 scholarship players next year imo.
Yep, and out of all the eligibility he had from THT, Wigginton, Lard, and Haliburton all he got was a 9-9 season and a quick exit in the tournament. Absolutely pathetic.
Yeah there were really really thin that year. Huge failure on the transfer market brining in Beverly and Brase. Beverly didn't belong and Brase was just too broken. But I still think if NWB and Young were healthy all year they would have had a chance to get to the tournament. Maybe been on the outside looking in but at least on the bubble because if I remember correctly they had a lot of close games despite that. Didn't Jackson miss some games as well?
Even with some of those players you named, some were huge risks/question marks. Malou for obvious reasons, and Lard who struggled to even make it to campus. Banking on them to even pan out, let alone hope they become cornerstones of your program, was a huge and uncalculated risk by Steve.
Toward the end of the season when his father passed. It had been established that we were horrible by then though, I believe
This is the dumbest line of idiotic talking points any of you have tried to forward.
I agree that we would've been somewhere on the bubble, but imagine if we had 2 capable bench pieces. All we needed was two Big 12 quality bench guys and we would've been good. We never would've gotten above good though because it doesn't matter how much talent is on a team (look at 18-19), Prohm still can't figure out how to consistently coach his teams throughout a season.
He didn’t recruit for the last two years he was here.
he left a great starting line up, with no depth.
Prohm has failed as much as one could possibly fail and will lose his job. but revising history is just as dumb.
At the end of the day the biggest recruiting mistake that CSP made was turning away McKinley Wright in order to keep pursuing Lindell which he knew was a one or two year prospect. With McKinley Wright you get Monte/Naz 2.0 for four years. You also would have a cornerstone to the program from a work ethic standpoint and you would have made in-roads into Minnesota rather than destroying any chance in that state for the rest of your tenure.
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I have been watching some of Prohm's interviews. I am not saying the fans/ public needs to be privy to EVERYTHING, but Prohm tells us NOTHING.
Q. What are the two main things this team needs to work on?
A. Rebounding and taking good shots.
No kidding? But what are you DOING to accomplish this?
He has said several times "it's on me, it's on me. "
I admire you, CSP, for taking that high road...... but WHAT'S on you and WHAT are you going to change to fix it?
I think CSP is a good man. He must have some coaching IQ to get here. But, I can't take this bumpy ride with you if you can't tell me a plan. I have a pretty high basketball IQ for a mere fan, I already knew no one was rebounding........
Nothing will change without, well.......... CHANGE.
Q. What are the two main things this team needs to work on?
A. Rebounding and taking good shots.
No kidding? But what are you DOING to accomplish this?
He has said several times "it's on me, it's on me. "
I admire you, CSP, for taking that high road...... but WHAT'S on you and WHAT are you going to change to fix it?
I think CSP is a good man. He must have some coaching IQ to get here. But, I can't take this bumpy ride with you if you can't tell me a plan. I have a pretty high basketball IQ for a mere fan, I already knew no one was rebounding........
Nothing will change without, well.......... CHANGE.
Or, you know, the 7th guy. But please don’t start letting facts get in your way now.
that roster would have made 2014 Kentucky look weak.
Donovan’s father passed away before the tcu game. He played his heart out. Had 26 or 27 points. Kept us in the game.
I can’t think of many games I wanted the team to win more than that one. Just for him.
I don’t think there is any question the roster will turn over.
I think all of the Current players and the recruit will certainly examine other options.
To an extent I agree. Hoiberg certainly left us a little thin on the bench, but there really is no reason Prohm couldn't have had a Sophomore or 2 ready to ball out in his 3rd year once Fred's players were gone. Instead, he had an under-sized 2 guard in Jackson, an under-sized 5 in Solo, a make-shift PG in Weiler-Babb, and a hodge podge of freshmen and transfers held together by staples and Elmer's glue.
