If we go winless in the conference, does Prohm get fired?

[IcSyU]

I disagree. Do people care more if we go 2-16 or 0-18? I don't think it makes a difference.

I wouldn't be shocked if he lost his job at 2-16 either. ..I'm just simply saying we won't go 0-18 but if we did he wouldn't keep his job. These next few years Jamie is going to have to get every dollar out of the budget he can get so he can hand it over to Campbell. It would take him a phone call or two to come up with the buyout money if he wanted it. Saving the buyout money does no good if the fall in revenue outpaces it. There are donors who don't really give a lick about football but pour money in for MBB.

At this point, you know what you have with Prohm. If the team looks as much like trash in March like they do now, Jamie's hand will be forced. If we start 1-9 and end up 6-12 there's an argument to be made they got better.

This isn't Jamie's decision to make...it's the fund providers of the AD.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

I don't see it that way. KSU doesn't have anyone that can get to the rack and finish like Bolton. It's on Prohm to figure out how to exploit that. I could do that for every player - they have strengths, but you can't see it in this "system".

I really believe Huggy would win 7-9 games with this squad. OK, maybe that's high, but they'd be playing much better/effective basketball.

Something is off with Prohm, and it's not just x's and o's stuff, offense/defense/rebounding flaws etc. It is between the ears of the players. We have seen it for years now. They don't play with intensity or urgency. They aren't hustling after 50/50 balls or skying for rebounds. King McClure said it best last night, a Scott Drew player so it makes sense, something along the lines of K-State was winning/won because they wanted it more. Prohm teams never seem to "want it" more than the other guys. Sometimes they can win just off of sheer talent, see the 18-19 team, but more often than not, this team comes off as lazy or disinterested. That is something you never see from Drew, Huggy, or Bruce Weber teams. Those teams might not always be the most talented, but you are always seeing 110% effort and will-to-win from them. Maybe effort can't be coached, but it's on Prohm to bring in players that want to put in a little. We have too many guys who like to wine and complain and just seem to be overall head cases when things aren't going their way.

 

[CycloneErik]

I guess that with 17 more conference games, and the pending first round loss in the Big 12 tournament, that we could lose 20 this year.
That assumes no games cancelled due to COVID, and winning 0-1 conference games.
I'll still assume wins over Jackson State and Chicago State, but nothing's out of the question.

 

[atlantacyclone]

Watching the KSU game it is impossible to imagine that a good coach would watch that game and not make some kind of adjustment at least on O. You can’t live at the perimeter unless you are a great 3 point shooting team. It seems way too obvious.

 

[Hoggins]

I guess that with 17 more conference games, and the pending first round loss in the Big 12 tournament, that we could lose 20 this year.
That assumes no games cancelled due to COVID, and winning 0-1 conference games.
I'll still assume wins over Jackson State and Chicago State, but nothing's out of the question.

18 more Big 12 loses and a loss to Miss State. It's not only possible, I'd say it's likely.

 

[atlantacyclone]

To add to that I miss the days when The Mayor would see stagnation on O, call a quick time out and have a great play drawn to regain momentum.

 

[cyfan92]

ESPN+ is up for renewal on the 20th. That is an easy cancel.

 

[cyfan92]

How do we buyout CSP when the athletic department is $30M in the red before we extend and increase payroll to the football staff?

 

[Irish1]

I don't see it that way. KSU doesn't have anyone that can get to the rack and finish like Bolton. It's on Prohm to figure out how to exploit that. I could do that for every player - they have strengths, but you can't see it in this "system".

I really believe Huggy would win 7-9 games with this squad. OK, maybe that's high, but they'd be playing much better/effective basketball.

Totally agree! Buggy, of whom I am not a fan, is not a one dimensional coach, he coaches the talent he has, not the talent he would like to have.
When Xavier Foster figures out Prohm can not develop his big game he will go elsewhere. Then, Prohm might get fired.

 

[CycloneErik]

18 more Big 12 loses and a loss to Miss State. It's not only possible, I'd say it's likely.

******************, I forgot Mississippi State.
It's a clinched deal, then. Barring COVID cancellations, this guy is losing 20 games twice in a row.

 

[Clark]

How do we buyout CSP when the athletic department is $30M in the red before we extend and increase payroll to the football staff?

it's a sunk cost, you can't think about that. What he will think about is can he get people do come to games next year.

Everyone said the same things with Todd Lickliter. You can only tolerate the smell of rotting carcass for so long. As someone said earlier in this thread, if this doesn't get better the decision will be made for him.

 

[brokenloginagain]

Prohm is not going to be here long-term - we all know that.

I actually like the idea of waiting a year.

Avoid the covid issues around payouts in the next few months, and let football take the spotlight next year.

Then, instead of a scramble hire in June like when Hoiberg left, JP gets an entire year to re-evaluate and get his potential hires ready to go.

TJ will be in year 3 in vegas, can he improve? Maybe Hoiberg realizes its not going to happen in Lincoln. Maybe Prohm can't take getting is butt kicked every night and decides to move to the South.

And there's still the slim, slim change that Foster, Hinson, Hunter + this year's frosh...gives Prohm a Hail Mary season.

 

[Urbandale2013]

ESPN+ is up for renewal on the 20th. That is an easy cancel.

I’m debating keeping it for wrestling and WBB. If it wasn’t for those I’d be in the same boat. I feel horrible for just not wanting to watch.

 

[Go2Guy]

I disagree. Do people care more if we go 2-16 or 0-18? I don't think it makes a difference.

Excellent point. It's really hard to go 0-fer in conference play; a favored team will always have an off night.

 

[cyatheart]

Something is off with Prohm, and it's not just x's and o's stuff, offense/defense/rebounding flaws etc. It is between the ears of the players. We have seen it for years now. They don't play with intensity or urgency. They aren't hustling after 50/50 balls or skying for rebounds. King McClure said it best last night, a Scott Drew player so it makes sense, something along the lines of K-State was winning/won because they wanted it more. Prohm teams never seem to "want it" more than the other guys. Sometimes they can win just off of sheer talent, see the 18-19 team, but more often than not, this team comes off as lazy or disinterested. That is something you never see from Drew, Huggy, or Bruce Weber teams. Those teams might not always be the most talented, but you are always seeing 110% effort and will-to-win from them. Maybe effort can't be coached, but it's on Prohm to bring in players that want to put in a little. We have too many guys who like to wine and complain and just seem to be overall head cases when things aren't going their way.

His teams just don’t play hard. They think they are, but compared to where you need to play...they just aren’t. Fundamentally, Steve’s players don’t understand how hard you have to play at this level.

But that is only one problem.

 

[CY9008]

His teams just don’t play hard. They think they are, but compared to where you need to play...they just aren’t. Fundamentally, Steve’s players don’t understand how hard you have to play at this level.

But that is only one problem.

Also, it’s pretty telling there’s no team chemistry or passion- nothing after made free throws or pulling guys up when they’re on the floor. Kinda sad really.

 

[67CY]

I disagree. Do people care more if we go 2-16 or 0-18? I don't think it makes a difference.

I agree and I think most of the losses will be by double digits

 

[Halincandenza]

I think there are guys trying hard but when you are putting forth effort in the wrong ways it doesn't matter. Example, if you are going for steals you can't get or overhelping off of shooters, you may be trying hard but it is hurting the team. You also have to know what the hell you are doing out there. I think a lot of times Prohm has guys playing hard but they have no direction/look lost.

 

[awd4cy]

ESPN+ is up for renewal on the 20th. That is an easy cancel.

I was glad to not even sign up. I almost did right before the first game, but ended up doing a wait and see.

 

[CyCloned]

If they go winless in the conference he won’t be back.

I honestly think Prohm would walk away if they didn't win a conference game. Not sure he is the right guy, but I don't think he is really happy about what is going on either.

Not sure what they are doing in practice, but the last few years everyone with a decent shot has just gotten worse. The outside shooting for this team is awful, and it is not like they are not getting open shots.