I never said Klieman wouldn't be good there. I just said K-State had some terrific seasons and it may be a long time before their program is back to where Snyder had it.
Let's get it going with B12 football ranking ...
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I enjoyed it, but I enjoy history. Not just the dates of battles, etc. history, but social and cultural history. History texts don't generally get to the bottom of what things were like for the common man. Devil in the White City gives a taste of that for the period in Chicago and around the World's Fair.
KSU will take a step back this year. I see them in the bottom half.
I think OU is on top, in their own tier.
ISU, OSU and Texas are in the next tier.
Baylor, KSU and TCU are in the third tier.
Texas Tech and West Virginia in the 4th tier.
KU all along at the bottom.
If I had to pick an order, it would be:
1. OU
2. OSU
3. Texas
4. ISU
5. Baylor
6. TCU
7. KSU
8. Tech
9. WVU
10. KU
I think OU is on top, in their own tier.
ISU, OSU and Texas are in the next tier.
Baylor, KSU and TCU are in the third tier.
Texas Tech and West Virginia in the 4th tier.
KU all along at the bottom.
If I had to pick an order, it would be:
1. OU
2. OSU
3. Texas
4. ISU
5. Baylor
6. TCU
7. KSU
8. Tech
9. WVU
10. KU
I literally just spit my water out laughing LMAO. No one has EVER said that about kansas state. EVER HAHAHAHAHA. It's honestly even funnier that you bring up PLAYERS that may have been fast (Lockett for sure was, Youngblood was a freshmen last year so again, lol, he didn't impress me) but just cause you have a fast player doesn't mean your team is fast. Those players you listed didn't even play on the same teams!Seriously? Tyler Lockett, Darren Sproles, Joshua Youngblood, David Allen - you kidding me with that kind of trash, or have you just turned 20? I remember an oSu poster a few years back comparing teams to cars and K-State was a Cuda. Draw your own comparisons if you wish.
Locket - 11-14
Sproles - 01-04
Youngblood - 19-now
David Allen - 96-99
Under your logic, Iowa State is like a Ferrari because we have Kene Nwangwu. What a stupid post lol.
Is this a joke anyone under 40 would even get? Jesus, how old are you!?
It’s easy.
Kleiman had a first KSU team loaded with experience.
Wont be the case this year, and is why most think they’ll be 6th or 7th in the Big 12.
Back in May, I did a game-by-game for Big 12, based on team schedules. I won’t post full results here, for brevity’s sake. Here’s my rank, conference games only. Tiebreaks based on head-to-head.
Oklahoma 8-1
Texas 7-2
Oklahoma State 6-3
Iowa State 6-3
Baylor 5-4
Kansas State 4-5
TCU 3-6
Texas Tech 3-6
West Virginia 2-7
Kansas 1-8
Edit: I threw in a couple of curveballs in the game-by-game for nuance.
Oklahoma 8-1
Texas 7-2
Oklahoma State 6-3
Iowa State 6-3
Baylor 5-4
Kansas State 4-5
TCU 3-6
Texas Tech 3-6
West Virginia 2-7
Kansas 1-8
Edit: I threw in a couple of curveballs in the game-by-game for nuance.
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I would have guessed that all ISU fans would have been impressed with Youngblood. At least others were:
"True freshman receiver Josh Youngblood earned spots on a pair of All-America teams this week: CBS Sports named him a second-team performer at kick returner while he garnered a first-team freshman All-American at the spot by The Athletic. Youngblood also was part of the Associated Press’ All-Big 12 teams, picking up a first-team all-purpose honor Friday." The Mercury
Of course, we know how useful preseason predictions are, right?
2019 Big 12 Football Media Preseason Poll
1. Oklahoma (68) -- 761
2. Texas (9) -- 696
3. Iowa State -- 589
4. TCU -- 474
5. Oklahoma State -- 460
6. Baylor -- 453
7. Texas Tech -- 281
8. West Virginia -- 241
9. K-State -- 191
10. Ku -- 89
2019 Big 12 Football Final Ranking
1. Oklahoma 8-1
2. Baylor 8-1
3. K-State 5-4
Texas 5-4
Oklahoma State 5-4
Iowa State 5-4
7. West Virginia 3-6
8. TCU 3-6
9. Texas Tech 2-7
10 Ku 1-8
Find one scenario that fits your narrative then ride that train into the ground.
Nice to see you back to true form, surly.
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA at Surly stating experience for Kansas State
Kansas State:
Returns only 9 starters
0 returning offensive lineman
Return 0 offensive lineman that have made at least 1 start in college football.
Kansas State signed just 1 JC who made starts at the JC level. Below is the list of his offers.
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Dawson-Delforge-133951/RecruitInterests/
Kansas State:
Returns only 9 starters
0 returning offensive lineman
Return 0 offensive lineman that have made at least 1 start in college football.
Kansas State signed just 1 JC who made starts at the JC level. Below is the list of his offers.
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Dawson-Delforge-133951/RecruitInterests/
Wait, how does KSU lose 5 starters, yet returns an all conference OL? Was he out most of the year or something?
I personally see it like this:
1. OU - Will be a little down from where they've been, but still good. Not a playoff team.
2T. OSU - Just too much talent on offense and an improved defense.
2T. ISU - A lot of experience, a top QB and a healthy defense.
4. UT - Elingher will win them some games, but they will miss their good WRs.
5. KSU - Will be a tough out, but missing some skill position talent.
6. TCU - Duggan will improve and Patterson is a good coach.
7. Baylor - I think that they'll take a decent step back. No Mims to pull game making catches and Brewer will get knocked out.
8. WV - They're on the right track.
9. TT - Still a ways off.
10. KU - More competitive, but lack talent on defense and QB.
You guys fall for this media nonsense year after year. It baffles me when you should know better.
https://themercury.com/k_state_spor...cle_fc3fad2c-b6e6-5d38-bd50-ed86e2cd38b2.html
Pro Football Focus names Kansas State's Josh Rivas the top returning interior lineman in college football
- Ryan Black [email protected]
- May 19, 2020
Any casual observer knows that Youngblood is dangerous (and fast) as hell. I almost fell out of my chair when ISU kicked directly to him to start last fall’s game. Someone in the chain of command (coaches and kicker) had rocks in their head to kick to him.
CycloneErik
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You see, this ^^^ is really a silly statement. Here are guys who played in the rotation last year or transferred in as starters. You guys are really undervaluing K-State, but that's not new, is it.
OFFENSE
WR 4 Knowles, Malik RS SO
WR 23 Youngblood, Joshua SO
WR 21 Gill, Wykeen RS SR
LG 76 Rivas, Josh RS JR
TE 00 Moore, Briley GR (UNI grad transfer)
FB 87 Lenners, Nick RS SR
QB 10 Thompson, Skylar RS SR
RB 2 Trotter, Harry RS SR/TR
DEFENSE
DE 56 Hubert, Wyatt RS JR
DT 90 Massie, Bronson RS SR
WLB 3 Sullivan, Elijah RS SR
WLB 22 Green, Daniel RS SO
MLB 32 Hughes, Justin RS SR (2019 team captain lost to injury)
NB 31 McPherson, Jahron RS SR/TR
CB 12 Parker, AJ RS SR
SS 4 Jones, Wayne RS SO
FS 17 Alexander, Jonathan SR/TR
CB 15 Neil Jr., Walter RS SR
