Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[madguy30]

I'm of a similar opinion. A lot of stuff totally could be open if we put standards in place and everyone followed them. It's just the "Open 'er up and let 'er rip" attitude that is bad.

You'd have to actually have standards and monitor them though and even then it would be hard to keep up with it.

Look at how many STRUGGLE to go 60 MPH for about 5 minutes in C.R. and then can't believe they got a ticket.

It definitely can't be a 'We'll just trust people to do the right thing', which it probably will.

 

[isufbcurt]

I would hope that number 4 is a common practice in tattoo parlors already. I don't have one, so I'm ignorant on that, but that seems like it should be a SOP for a place like that.

It is trust me.

 

[tim_redd]

The close personal contact thing is stupid because there are ways to mitigate the risk. I would open hair places and tattoo shops with the following rules:

1. No more than 3 stylists/tattoo artists working at one time
2. Only 1 customer allowed in the shop per stylist/tattoo artist at one time (no friends watching or family hanging out)
3. Customer and stylist/tattoo artist both are required to wear a mask.
4. Stylist/tattoo artist must sanitize/wipe down area between customers and wash their hands.

Boom pretty straight forward and simple.

But what if I'm getting a face tattoo?

 

[CascadeClone]

Pretty staggering number. I wonder how many of those are furloughed vs permanent job loss?

My wag would be that it's about 50/50 right now. If a miracle cure was discovered tomorrow, unemployment would still be 10% thru the summer. But the longer this goes on, the more it becomes permanent as the economy shrinks.

I think people on both sides think that once things are "opened up" that everyone will go back to work and it will be just like before. One side believes this because it helps rationalize longer lockdowns - they don't really hurt, it's just temporary. The other side believes the money faucet will be turned on full power right away. Neither side is correct.

Serious harm has been done to individuals, businesses, and government finances. It is going to take a long time to dig ourselves out of this hole.

 

[isufbcurt]

Yeah and the place I get my haircut (I might just shave it off) only has 3 chairs to start and I've only seen 2 people working at a time so if WI opens those up they should be able to handle it.

Can a place like that extend or stagger the hours to accommodate appointments or is that too much cost to have lights on that long?

Just speaking for my tattoo shops, but they already have plans to stagger the artists and work around the clock to make up all the appointments that had to postpone.

I would think hair places could too.

 

[GBlade]

Does having a window open (if possible) or having a fan or something help keep it at least less concentrated?

Stylists/stylists should also be like 10 feet from each other.

Intuition is that a fan is just going to spread the droplets around. Ideally you'd want to suck the air onto the roof.

 

[isufbcurt]

But what if I'm getting a face tattoo?

Then wear nose plugs and suck on a pacifier.

 

[madguy30]

A graphic on the difference in curves between a "hard shutdown" in Spain and Italy and a "soft shutdown" in the US.

We'll see..they just opened up the other day so they might spike back up pretty quickly.

The weird thing to me has been the people that act like the U.S. was on hard shut down and acting like anyone taking it seriously was hiding under a table. We're looking at 100,000 deaths before June and they think we should have just let it ride out.

1.5 weeks in to reopening and Georgia's cases had a slight spike yesterday...that's one to keep an eye on.

 

[JM4CY]

Just speaking for my tattoo shops, but they already have plans to stagger the artists and work around the clock to make up all the appointments that had to postpone.

I would think hair places could too.

I wonder if a guy scheduled a hair cut at 1:30AM he could get a massage too? Asking for a friend.

 

[BCClone]

I wonder if a guy scheduled a hair cut at 1:30AM he could get a massage too? Asking for a friend.

Just say you need a little trim.

 

[madguy30]

Intuition is that a fan is just going to spread the droplets around. Ideally you'd want to suck the air onto the roof.

Yeah that makes sense...just thinking of recommendations to keep windows open so it doesn't settle in the air or on surfaces.

 

[bawbie]

We'll see..they just opened up the other day so they might spike back up pretty quickly.

Yes, we will see. But their "opening" is roughly equivalent with our "shutdown". For example, I believe restaraunts are just opening for take out only.

 

[GrappleCy]

We'll see..they just opened up the other day so they might spike back up pretty quickly.

The weird thing to me has been the people that act like the U.S. was on hard shut down and acting like anyone taking it seriously was hiding under a table. We're looking at 100,000 deaths before June and they think we should have just let it ride out.

1.5 weeks in to reopening and Georgia's cases had a slight spike yesterday...that's one to keep an eye on.

Spain's "re-opening" is still a lot stricter than the harshest "shutdown" we had here in the US.

 

[Urbandale2013]

My wag would be that it's about 50/50 right now. If a miracle cure was discovered tomorrow, unemployment would still be 10% thru the summer. But the longer this goes on, the more it becomes permanent as the economy shrinks.

I think people on both sides think that once things are "opened up" that everyone will go back to work and it will be just like before. One side believes this because it helps rationalize longer lockdowns - they don't really hurt, it's just temporary. The other side believes the money faucet will be turned on full power right away. Neither side is correct.

Serious harm has been done to individuals, businesses, and government finances. It is going to take a long time to dig ourselves out of this hole.

I don't think we are at 50/50 yet. I actually would say less than 20% of the jobs are permanent losses so far. With that said when they do transition to permanent losses that change will happen really quick.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Agree on the 10 feet which is why I limited the number working at a time.

My tattoo artist clients are already held to high regulations to keep their environment sterile. I can honestly say my tattoo shop clients are way cleaner than any of my restaurant clients.

I would feel less likely to get it in a tattoo shop (that is always sterile) if everyone is wearing mask than I have been the couple times I have gone to the store (Hyvee and Menards).

 

[CTTB78]

A graphic on the difference in curves between a "hard shutdown" in Spain and Italy and a "soft shutdown" in the US.

Interesting. How does graph for Sweden look?

 

[madguy30]

Yes, we will see. But their "opening" is roughly equivalent with our "shutdown". For example, I believe restaraunts are just opening for take out only.

Spain's "re-opening" is still a lot stricter than the harshest "shutdown" we had here in the US.

That's basically what I'm trying to say.

Their numbers plummeted but are probably going to go way up.

Hopefully our spikes in the U.S. aren't demoralizing; it's been spreading plenty despite those acting like we've all been locked in our homes under surveillance.

 

[madguy30]

I would feel less likely to get it in a tattoo shop (that is always sterile) if everyone is wearing mask than I have been the couple times I have gone to the store (Hyvee and Menards).

I was at Walgreens just last week and some dude in front of me was waiting in line, and picked up a magazine to look through a bit, and then put it back when it was his turn.

Way too many totally oblivious.

Getting a haircut makes me a little nervous--even with masks that's a pretty close proximity of breathing in the same air.

 

[bawbie]

Interesting. How does graph for Sweden look?

Much like ours, although with a lower slope on the front side for some reason

I can't copy the graph, but it's half way down this page
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

 

[Halincandenza]

Interesting. How does graph for Sweden look?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-sweden/