Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[GrappleCy]

No big deal, we can go like this forever, got to protect the 0.004%

"Opening back up" isn't going to bring all those jobs back as long as this thing is around. Look at hotels and airlines right now, they aren't closed, but nobody is flying. Opening up restaurants isn't going to make most people want to go sit inside them, opening up nail salons isn't going to make most people want to go get a pediicure, etc. You could declare every movie theater in the country open for business and you'd still see mostly empty auditoriums. I saw an article earlier this week about an axe throwing place in Georgia that opened back up last weekend and had a total of two customers the entire time they opened.

 

[cowgirl836]

"Opening back up" isn't going to bring all those jobs back as long as this thing is around. Look at hotels and airlines right now, they aren't closed, but nobody is flying. Opening up restaurants isn't going to make most people want to go sit inside them, opening up nail salons isn't going to make most people want to go get a pediicure, etc. You could declare every movie theater in the country open for business and you'd still see mostly empty auditoriums. I saw an article earlier this week about an axe throwing place in Georgia that opened back up last weekend and had a total of two customers the entire time they opened.

Many don't seem to get that you only truly open the economy by getting this under control and having enough testing, etc. But of course, those in leadership pushing this are doing so to get people off unemployment and they don't really give a fig about those they are putting in harm's way.

 

[Cyched]

Tanning joints are the among most vile, disgusting businesses around in terms of sanitation. Actual physical contact isn't necessary to transmit. Might as well open up Beach Girls in order to be consistent...

May is Skin Cancer Awareness Month. What better way to spread awareness than a few melanomas here and there via tanning bed?

 

[Halincandenza]

The state's failure to deal with the virus is the same failure at a national level and in many other states. There is no plan or strategy. Basically just crossing their fingers and saying good luck out there until there is a vaccine and get back to work because the economy or something.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Why does having had Covid-19 preclude you from joining the military?

Are people disqualified because they’ve had the flu? It’s just the flu right? Have to wonder what the pentagon knows about the long term effects or consequences from this disease.

 

[Gunnerclone]

"Opening back up" isn't going to bring all those jobs back as long as this thing is around. Look at hotels and airlines right now, they aren't closed, but nobody is flying. Opening up restaurants isn't going to make most people want to go sit inside them, opening up nail salons isn't going to make most people want to go get a pediicure, etc. You could declare every movie theater in the country open for business and you'd still see mostly empty auditoriums. I saw an article earlier this week about an axe throwing place in Georgia that opened back up last weekend and had a total of two customers the entire time they opened.

Are there enough Karen’s in the world?

 

[madguy30]

Many don't seem to get that you only truly open the economy by getting this under control and having enough testing, etc. But of course, those in leadership pushing this are doing so to get people off unemployment and they don't really give a fig about those they are putting in harm's way.

Somebody named something that's the leader of our country was quoted yesterday as saying, “In a way, by doing all this testing, we make ourselves look bad.”

Like 100,000 people dying in 3 months in connections to one virus doesn't.

 

[madguy30]

Are people disqualified because they’ve had the flu? It’s just the flu right? Have to wonder what the pentagon knows about the long term effects or consequences from this disease.

What if you got into a car collision?

 

[Urbandale2013]

Many don't seem to get that you only truly open the economy by getting this under control and having enough testing, etc. But of course, those in leadership pushing this are doing so to get people off unemployment and they don't really give a fig about those they are putting in harm's way.

I agree in the sense that we have to establish a sense of safety where people are comfortable resuming their activities. I disagree in the sense that it is possible to get to that point when everything is sill shut down.

I’ve advocated and I think we’d all be better off finding a way to safely open stuff that we can as we learn more. That would have to come with extra unemployment conditions for people who are not comfortable resuming interacting with everyone.

The key is to give people the ability to responsibly find where the safe point is. When people are comfortable get back to a more normal situation but also don’t be reckless.

 

[isufbcurt]

Will be one of the later businesses to open due to the close personal contact

The close personal contact thing is stupid because there are ways to mitigate the risk. I would open hair places and tattoo shops with the following rules:

1. No more than 3 stylists/tattoo artists working at one time
2. Only 1 customer allowed in the shop per stylist/tattoo artist at one time (no friends watching or family hanging out)
3. Customer and stylist/tattoo artist both are required to wear a mask.
4. Stylist/tattoo artist must sanitize/wipe down area between customers and wash their hands.

Boom pretty straight forward and simple.

 

[skibumspe]

So happy to be living in Korea right now....and so disappointing to see the stark contrast in responses around the world.

 

[madguy30]

The close personal contact thing is stupid because there are ways to mitigate the risk. I would open hair places and tattoo shops with the following rules:

1. No more than 3 stylists/tattoo artists working at one time
2. Only 1 customer allowed in the shop per stylist/tattoo artist at one time (no friends watching or family hanging out)
3. Customer and stylist/tattoo artist both are required to wear a mask.
4. Stylist/tattoo artist must sanitize/wipe down area between customers and wash their hands.

Boom pretty straight forward and simple.

Does having a window open (if possible) or having a fan or something help keep it at least less concentrated?

Stylists/stylists should also be like 10 feet from each other.

 

[madguy30]

So happy to be living in Korea right now....and so disappointing to see the stark contrast in responses around the world.

What's it like there?

 

[Clonefan32]

This is kind of how I picture the decisions on who can re-open being made:

 

[isufbcurt]

Does having a window open (if possible) or having a fan or something help keep it at least less concentrated?

Stylists/stylists should also be like 10 feet from each other.

Agree on the 10 feet which is why I limited the number working at a time.

My tattoo artist clients are already held to high regulations to keep their environment sterile. I can honestly say my tattoo shop clients are way cleaner than any of my restaurant clients.

 

[BCClone]

I agree in the sense that we have to establish a sense of safety where people are comfortable resuming their activities. I disagree in the sense that it is possible to get to that point when everything is sill shut down.

I’ve advocated and I think we’d all be better off finding a way to safely open stuff that we can as we learn more. That would have to come with extra unemployment conditions for people who are not comfortable resuming interacting with everyone.

The key is to give people the ability to responsibly find where the safe point is. When people are comfortable get back to a more normal situation but also don’t be reckless.

With the likelyhood of having a vaccine by the end of the year being low coupled with Fauci saying that we will have another hit come fall; we will basically have things shuttered until about this time next year if we wait until it is no longer a threat. It is a balancing act. If we keep this up for another year, several of the businesses that Iowa and the midwest rely on, like Ag and service industries, will be severely crippled. The livestock industry was just getting rolling again, dairy farms were struggling going into this and are hurting even more now, grain farms were being held together on yields and the MFP. I would see another 80s farm crisis as a possibility. I'm not saying we throw the doors open, but just saying that things have to start rolling a little here and there to see if things can happen.

 

[BCClone]

The close personal contact thing is stupid because there are ways to mitigate the risk. I would open hair places and tattoo shops with the following rules:

1. No more than 3 stylists/tattoo artists working at one time
2. Only 1 customer allowed in the shop per stylist/tattoo artist at one time (no friends watching or family hanging out)
3. Customer and stylist/tattoo artist both are required to wear a mask.
4. Stylist/tattoo artist must sanitize/wipe down area between customers and wash their hands.

Boom pretty straight forward and simple.

I would hope that number 4 is a common practice in tattoo parlors already. I don't have one, so I'm ignorant on that, but that seems like it should be a SOP for a place like that.

 

[madguy30]

Agree on the 10 feet which is why I limited the number working at a time.

My tattoo artist clients are already held to high regulations to keep their environment sterile. I can honestly say my tattoo shop clients are way cleaner than any of my restaurant clients.

Yeah and the place I get my haircut (I might just shave it off) only has 3 chairs to start and I've only seen 2 people working at a time so if WI opens those up they should be able to handle it.

Can a place like that extend or stagger the hours to accommodate appointments or is that too much cost to have lights on that long?

 

[GrappleCy]

The close personal contact thing is stupid because there are ways to mitigate the risk. I would open hair places and tattoo shops with the following rules:

1. No more than 3 stylists/tattoo artists working at one time
2. Only 1 customer allowed in the shop per stylist/tattoo artist at one time (no friends watching or family hanging out)
3. Customer and stylist/tattoo artist both are required to wear a mask.
4. Stylist/tattoo artist must sanitize/wipe down area between customers and wash their hands.

Boom pretty straight forward and simple.

I'm of a similar opinion. A lot of stuff totally could be open if we put standards in place and everyone followed them. It's just the "Open 'er up and let 'er rip" attitude that is bad.

Right now all we've done is say "we tried, go back to normal", if we made some sacrifices and adjustments we could go a lot closer back to pre-pandemic times. This thing isn't ebola. It doesn't transmit just because somebody looked at you wrong and it doesn't live forever on surfaces or in the air.

 

[bawbie]

A graphic on the difference in curves between a "hard shutdown" in Spain and Italy and a "soft shutdown" in the US.