Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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awd4cy

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Bear with me for a minute, but she could actually make sure there is stuff in place orrrrrr she could say no, and i won't allow plants to open until they convince me they do. But you know she is a corporate shill so she won't.
So go against federal order that states plants need to stay open. You do know a governor of a state doesn't have power to go against that orrr....
 

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Anyone who expects the governor to know absolutely whether any large industrial facility is taking all proper precautions is extremely naive. Unless she's there every day doing on site inspections around the clock, she's not going to know if they are doing everything possible. At some point, she has to take the company's word for it, she's not going to pop up on the assembly line on third shift to review their cleaning logs.

Thanks for making my point. She did take multiple companies' word for it earlier and was proven wrong. Thus, the question: how can she know now that they're doing the right thing?

It's not a "gotcha" question at all. In fact, for a governor who's actually doing her job, it ought to be a softball question.
 

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If you want to pay 16 bucks to sit in a cough factory more power to you I guess.
So what is your solution? Like I said don’t just say keep current restrictions because it isn’t realistic. People are itching to get back to normal. Our strategy of mitigation now is how can we keep people as distanced as possible. If we don’t start looking for those things than we are just going to basically tear down the dam and flood everyone out.
 

Clonehomer

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Well someone from the state ******* should.

I'd go a step further and say that someone from the CDC should have been placed at each facility to take responsibility of worker safety. That should have been a part of the EO when the companies were protected from liability. Take it out of the company's hands.

But in the end, the federal government took it out of the states' control.
 

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I’d like to see an actual plan too. I think the biggest thing I’d like to see is getting some of the stuff that can make people feel normal back open.

I’d like to see a way for some of the hair type places open on a limited basis. Maybe appointments with limits to how many can be done. Also have requirements for cleaning. I think for some people this is important for mental well being. I also think it could ease some of the hurt for those businesses. Probably wouldn’t be profitable but may see lower losses.

I also want to see some way for movie theaters open partially. Maybe limits to 25-50% capacity. Increased cleaning between showings.

I like the idea of getting normal things up and running even in limited capacities. I think that this will be incredibly helpful as it will hopefully allow for some of the restrictions to stay in place longer. I’ve said it the whole time people are only going to tolerate stuff for so long. Keeping people accepting of the restrictions has to be a key factor.

You've been on this since everything started--every time any of this comes up you are sure that the cure is worse than the disease, etc, etc.. Did you think people's mental health was so fragile that they couldn't do this for a week? Are we seeing huge spikes in people breaking down?
 

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So what is your solution? Like I said don’t just say keep current restrictions because it isn’t realistic. People are itching to get back to normal. Our strategy of mitigation now is how can we keep people as distanced as possible. If we don’t start looking for those things than we are just going to basically tear down the dam and flood everyone out.

How many people are actually itching to get back to normal? Polls show that a vast majority of people aren't in any hurry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5ddc3a-8e36-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html
 

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So what is your solution? Like I said don’t just say keep current restrictions because it isn’t realistic. People are itching to get back to normal. Our strategy of mitigation now is how can we keep people as distanced as possible. If we don’t start looking for those things than we are just going to basically tear down the dam and flood everyone out.
I would say people grow the **** up and realize we live in a time where there is literally infinite things to do. The british lived through 2 years of blitzkrieg and all they had to do was tiddlywinks and dodging bombs. It's been 2 months and you have infinite technology and near infinite things to do in nature.
 
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Urbandale2013

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I would say people grow the **** up and realize we live in a time where there is literally infinite things to do. The british lived through 2 years of blitzkrieg and all they had to do was tiddlywinks and dodging bombs. It's been 2 months and you have infinite technology and near infinite things to do in nature.
It isn’t about me or you it is about society. You can live in your theoretical world where people are smart but I’ll deal with reality where people are really dumb.
 

Clonehomer

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Then you fine the **** out of them.

For what? There are no laws on the books saying workers must be spaced and always wearing masks. These are recommendations and the only avenue to protect the workers was through liability and the courts.
 

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So what is your solution? Like I said don’t just say keep current restrictions because it isn’t realistic. People are itching to get back to normal. Our strategy of mitigation now is how can we keep people as distanced as possible. If we don’t start looking for those things than we are just going to basically tear down the dam and flood everyone out.

"72% believe moving too quickly to loosen the stay-at-home orders is a greater threat to the country than moving too slowly, and 86% think social distancing and stay-at-home orders are responsible policies. And if restrictions were lifted tomorrow, some 80% say they are unlikely to go out to public places that are likely to draw crowds."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lar...-restrictions-slower-return/story?id=70291873
 

Rabbuk

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It isn’t about me or you it is about society. You can live in your theoretical world where people are smart but I’ll deal with reality where people are really dumb.
Sounds like you fall into the category of people who need to stop being so entitled. If you can't watch netflix and masturbate to save grandma you're probably a sociopath.
 

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Is she supposed to travel to every plant across the state every day and check to make sure they are doing things the way she proposed?

No, she's the executive. Her job isn't to go to each plant. And I wouldn't have any expectation that she knows the details of what the precautions are. But there are lots of state and county officials who do have the job to go to each plant and those people report up to her and I'd expect her, given the current situation, to be able to discuss it at a high level.

I wouldn't expect her to be able to say "workers are spaced exactly 6.2 feet apart with a plastic shield of X size over thier face and they are cleaning all common spaces every Y minutes" or anything like that. But I would expect her to be able to say "We are ensuring that the plants are following all local, state, and national level safety guidelines".
 

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Not exactly sure.
It's not a "gotcha" question to ask something basic like that. She looks bad because wasn't prepared for it and didn't want to give a truthful answer, not because there was anything wrong with the question. Leaders get asked tough questions all the time, it's part of the job description.


It is so vague though. Ask if gowns, gloves, masks, shields are all being provided; something like that. To go open ended is just poor.

Then to ask if they can assure that a vague grouping is being provided and being followed? No person outside of the coordinator from that facility can assure that or now for certain. This isn't a tough question, it is a pure lazily formed question that is way to vague to garner any information from it.

If 50 governors are asked this question, the only truthful answer they can give is to say; no, they can't assure anything is happening at independent businesses.

People are still cutting hair, even though there is a shut down on it. Just informed that a hair dresser got a 500 dollar fine recently. You can't assure things even when you tell other businesses to do it. Poor poor question.
 

CyJack13

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Thanks for making my point. She did take multiple companies' word for it earlier and was proven wrong. Thus, the question: how can she know now that they're doing the right thing?

It's not a "gotcha" question at all. In fact, for a governor who's actually doing her job, it ought to be a softball question.

To do what, have someone walk through and do an inspection? And then things go back to how they were once the inspection is over. How does she ensure they are continuously taking proper safety precautions?
 

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You absolutely do not take a company's word for anything. Companies need oversight. These plants have USDA representatives in them almost constantly to make sure they are operating properly. The governor can have people in these plants making sure coronavirus related guidelines are being followed.
There’s no way in hell FSIS is going to agree to have oversight in regards to this. Believe me.
 
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