Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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alarson

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Nothing is going to open until we implement the White House's plan released yesterday that requires widespread testing. The plan leaves testing to the States since our Federal Government has broken down completely. Thus, we're probably not going to open up anytime soon...

Yeah, that's what's dumb as **** about that plan in general. This has to be a national-level response to get the resources in place. States can't do it alone. Unt
 

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I'd also add its a small country, the population is largely homogeneous, and their underlying health issues are non-existent (guessing) compared to NYC, Italy and the broader USA.

That said - time to open things up somehow. While I will continue to take precautions to try and keep safe, at-risk populations HAVE to take more precautions... Period. Take personal responsibility for protecting YOUR health.
Sweden already has a higher death rate than the US
 

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I don't disagree with anything you said. I completely agree leaders need to take the best data available and make the best decision possible, which I think we both agree is a nearly impossible decision to make. The problems I see:

1. There's a failure in testing which makes good decision-making even more difficult.

2a. There are groups actively working to end mitigation strategies now, including those in positions of power for their own self-interests. Leaders should be actively encouraging people to stay at home, now. Saying people can't stay sheltered in place for months, therefore the mitigation strategies should be ended is completely counter-productive.

2b. Pushing the idea people can't endure under the current circumstances belie the real courage and determination humans have. Londoners existed under the conditions of the Blitz for how long? We can do a lot. The problem is people are only willing to sacrifice to a certain point. That's where our leaders should step in. Encouraging Americans to forge on for the greater good. Sacrifice is easier when its shared.

3. Countries that have had the greatest success combating the virus, generally speaking, have been more pro-active and have populations that have been more compliant, which makes it easier to ease mitigation strategies.

4. I have little confidence leaders in this country will be able to re-institute effective mitigation strategies, if the rate of infection begins to increase again .

My points:
1. We can really slow the spread of the virus. It's not a forgo conclusion X amount of people have to die. The question is a matter of individual sacrifice.
2. Talk of reducing mitigation strategies now is foolish;especially when we don't have the tools or the leadership to keep the virus contained in some lesser form of mitigation

I agree with what you're saying except point 2B. We could endure the current circumstances longer, but not forever. Logistically, we can't. We would run out of the things we need to live and effectively fight the virus. In terms of morale, we're already seeing large groups of people actively pushing back against quarantine measures. The difference between this and the London Blitz is that we aren't having bombs dropping in neighborhoods to continually remind people that it is dangerous. If people don't have a regular reminder of the personal danger to themselves, they will not be willing to continue extreme safety measures.

We can slow the spread of the virus, but that does not mean that there is not a number of people who will die. Unless we completely stop the virus, then there are a certain number of people who will die even with current or stricter measures. People are dying now, even in the places with the strictest quarantines. There are a certain number of people who will die, regardless of what we do.

I don't think it's foolish to start talking about reducing mitigation strategies. I think the opposite is true - people need to know that there is a plan and a strategy to rachet things down. If people can see a light at the end of the tunnel, they will push harder to get there. If we have specific goals - i.e. increasing testing to some certain level that we need to hit before re-opening, let's announce those. Then people know what we need and can work toward it and/or push politicians for it.
 

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Fear porn running high on CF! Sweden did virtually nothing in all this, how they doing?

Last I checked they're at over a 10% death of confirmed cases and rising. They also have 10 million people.

Would you feel better if 70,000 people were dead from this in the US? That's on pace to smoke the comparison to heart disease that you might be referencing next.

Do you think for Iowa to get back to normal, they might need other places to get to normal in order to conduct business?

Why didn't you ask how New Zealand is doing?
 

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Not exactly sure.
Hard to get any kind of national bearing on the daily death loss in the US. New york added a couple thousand that they said were possible Covid cases just a few days ago, then one or two days ago took back around 150 that they said weren't but were classified as Covid. Now Michigan is doing that. Really had no idea how the death rate is doing nationally now.
 

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Hard to get any kind of national bearing on the daily death loss in the US. New york added a couple thousand that they said were possible Covid cases just a few days ago, then one or two days ago took back around 150 that they said weren't but were classified as Covid. Now Michigan is doing that. Really had no idea how the death rate is doing nationally now.


The death rate is going to end up being less than half of a percent when this is over with. Hopefully Iowa starts to open back up in a couple of weeks.
 

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So If you start Aug 1, do you get out in late April early May?


That would about be 3 weeks early. Those three weeks would try to catch up on what was unable to be accomplished the last quarter by online, then you would fire into the normal schedule on the 22/23 when it normally would start.
 

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Hard to get any kind of national bearing on the daily death loss in the US. New york added a couple thousand that they said were possible Covid cases just a few days ago, then one or two days ago took back around 150 that they said weren't but were classified as Covid. Now Michigan is doing that. Really had no idea how the death rate is doing nationally now.

Yeah worldmeter graph is now showing 6,000+ deaths for 4/14 which is a huge spike from any days around it or in general. It's also hard to track who's reporting their cases/deaths accurately vs. when they were actually confirmed.
 

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im not sure a summer session is in the cards. I think it'd probably depend on the language of a teacher contract? Teachers are getting paid and working right now... so they would have to be compensated additionally for a summer session.


That won't happen. I could see some schools (smaller ones maybe) doing graduation ceremonies this summer though.
 
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