Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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Clonefan32

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Except you can't go to work unless your job is "essential". We haven't gotten to that point yet.

I'm sure it would mean a move home for some. If you look at what other cities/states have done the definition of "essential" is very vague and broad.
 

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I've been seeing a lot of this and I don't quite understand the logic.

There are probably hundreds (maybe thousands) of regularly spread viruses every winter that can cause symptoms without testing positively for flu or strep. It is incredibly common.

Given what we have watched unfold over the last couple months, how and where the disease has spread, how health systems worldwide can be overrun in less than two weeks, the culturally draconian efforts to contain the US population, etc, what makes people think the COVID-19 they are telling themselves they already "had" behaved differently when everyone was just walking about like everything was fine?

Certainly a valid point, and I'll concede that our local bug(s) very likely were not SARS-Coronavirus-2. It's pretty much a given at this point, unfortunately, that not all symptomatic individuals will be (or were) tested specifically for COVID-19. So in the end, we'll likely be left without an accurate fatality rate for this particular strain.

I do think a tool that gives us insight into when the majority of our population has been exposed and recovered (such as antibody testing) might help our return to "normalcy." Identifying donors who could provide antibody-rich blood certainly doesn't seem like a waste of resources, either.

Go State!
 

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There's no point in testing asymptomatics right now. There's just not. I wish I could explain it better.

I would say your no testing of asymptomatic is just like the people you're against saying "test everyone". It's not about testing every single person or no asymptomatic people. There is absolutely a point to testing asymptomatic people that have had direct contact with a positive case. At the very least. To try to catch and stop the virus sooner. The point is not to test "everyone" but to test everyone we need to. With symptoms or not.
 

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Anyone know why Japan has had a relatively modest outbreak, despite being one of the first countries to see infections? They've had even less restrictions in place then the U.S. has, and seem to be testing fewer people. Their total infection and number of fatalities is really low. Are they just not reporting cases and fatalities?
 
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Probably because we aren't testing, and we only have 400 tests available.

I fully expect the number of reported positives to blow up when testing kits become readily available. It sound like right now the only people getting tested are high risk people showing symptoms, politicians, and professional athletes. I guess the rest of us are SOL.
 

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Interesting. I honestly don't think the "shelter-in-place" order is much beyond what we have going on now in Iowa.

In California it means in addition to what was already shut down, if also means pretty much any stores in a mall need to be closed, malls were pretty much the last bastion of large people congregation.

Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart, Grocery stores, all restaurants are still open in Los Angeles. I have even see a couple with people eating inside.

Also defense contractors still having people come into work, the security nature of their business does not promote work from home.

It is impossible to enforce it a City and surrounding area of 20 million people.


Traffic much much lighter out here, but still people out and about.

Sams Club had a line that was probably close to a 1/3rd of a mile long 1 hour after it was opened.

I am guessing most states are in a similar boat, we just chose to give it a name out here
 

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In California it means in addition to what was already shut down, if also means pretty much any stores in a mall need to be closed, malls were pretty much the last bastion of large people congregation.

Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart, Grocery stores, all restaurants are still open in Los Angeles. I have even see a couple with people eating inside.

Also defense contractors still having people come into work, the security nature of their business does not promote work from home.

It is impossible to enforce it a City and surrounding area of 20 million people.


Traffic much much lighter out here, but still people out and about.

Sams Club had a line that was probably close to a 1/3rd of a mile long 1 hour after it was opened.

I am guessing most states are in a similar boat, we just chose to give it a name out here

I'm curious which exception Home Depot and Lowes would fall under.
 

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Anyone know why Japan has had a relatively modest outbreak, despite being one of the first countries to see infections? They've had even less restrictions in place then the U.S. has, and seem to be testing fewer people. Their total infection and number of fatalities is really low. Are they just not reporting cases and fatalities?
If you read the articles, yes, it is a lack of testing. At the same time, most of their deaths are imports, cruise ships or flights from China, but I think they only have 62 deaths. Coincidentally or not, they have a flu drug that supposedly reduces infection from 11 to 4 days. The fact is we don’t know if it is under reporting or they are doing things that others aren’t, but they have reopened schools.
 
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I'm curious which exception Home Depot and Lowes would fall under.

Not really sure, it is kind of a moving target, only thing I can think of they have the ability to sell things clorox wipes and other anti virus cleaners, paper towels and yes TP.

Also people may need hardware if something happens in their homes

But just a guess on my part
 

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I fully expect the number of reported positives to blow up when testing kits become readily available. It sound like right now the only people getting tested are high risk people showing symptoms, politicians, and professional athletes. I guess the rest of us are SOL.
Yeah I could do without the daily updates on how Tom Hanks, Sean Payton, etc are doing, no offense. Tell me how the water treatment plant employees, EMTs, medical professionals, garbagemen, police and fire personnel, etc are faring. They’ll be the real heroes before this is over. I could GAF about Hollywood right now.
 

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Certainly a valid point, and I'll concede that our local bug(s) very likely were not SARS-Coronavirus-2. It's pretty much a given at this point, unfortunately, that not all symptomatic individuals will be (or were) tested specifically for COVID-19. So in the end, we'll likely be left without an accurate fatality rate for this particular strain.

I do think a tool that gives us insight into when the majority of our population has been exposed and recovered (such as antibody testing) might help our return to "normalcy." Identifying donors who could provide antibody-rich blood certainly doesn't seem like a waste of resources, either.

Go State!

But isn't that basically true for any virus? People recovered from mild cases of H1N1 and swine flu, most certainly, without being tested for it as well. Most people who get influenza in any given year so not get tested for it.

This is a factor when comparing the "death rate" for any disease. It is always lower than what is reported by CDC. The figure, whatever it is, matters only broadly and less specifically.
 
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Anyone know why Japan has had a relatively modest outbreak, despite being one of the first countries to see infections? They've had even less restrictions in place then the U.S. has, and seem to be testing fewer people. Their total infection and number of fatalities is really low. Are they just not reporting cases and fatalities?

I would guess their measures/technological capabilities are very similar to South Korea.
 
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This press conference isn't as annoying as yesterdays, I guess that head of health or whatever she was yesterday just must have annoyed the hell out me.
 
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isutrevman

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If you read the articles, yes, it is a lack of testing. At the same time, most of their deaths are imports, cruise ships or flights from China, but I think they only have 62 deaths. Coincidentally or not, they have a flu drug that supposedly reduces infection from 11 to 4 days. The fact is we don’t know if it is under reporting or they are doing things that others aren’t, but they have reopened schools.
If they are having a low number of deaths, they must not have that many cases though, regardless of their lack of testing. Assuming the fatality rate is at least some what similar around the world, having only 62 deaths suggests they don't have many people getting the virus in the first place. Unless, that drug you mentioned is working miracles, or they've got some other cure.

No country is testing everybody, but its fairly safe to extrapolate the total number of actual cases from the fatalities being reported. Unless Japan is also just not reporting fatalities. That's one reason I'm not buying that there could be thousands of people with the virus in Iowa, we just haven't tested them. We don't have the number of fatalities to support that, regardless of a lack of testing. Unless the fatality rate is incredibly low in Iowa, or much lower in general than the 1-3% that is being thrown around.
 

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I would guess their measures/technological capabilities are very similar to South Korea.
From what I've read, they've been doing a fraction of the testing that South Korea is doing. Like, even less testing than the U.S. They might having the tracking capabilities of South Korea though, like you suggest.
 
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