Keto

[AgronAlum]

Any diet like this is done. Eat in moderation, eat more vegetables, eat less processed foods and sugars, and you will be fine long term. That is a sustainable model. Keto is nothing more than another fad aimed at a quick fix. Everybody wants the quick fix but it won't last.

Eat a little better, and get your ass in the gym. End of story.

Like I said in the OP, eating around my food allergies (which have been getting worse year over year) is basically the keto diet. That’s why I wasn’t really interested in getting into the pros and cons. I have my reasons for why I’m doing this. I’m looking for resources to make sure I’m going about it in the right way.

Thanks to all the have chimed in so far.

 

[capitalcityguy]

I follow Dr Ken Berry's Facebook page and also Dr Shawn Baker YouTube channel. Interestingly, they'll both be at a Keto Conference in Omaha this coming January of 2020.

https://midwestketosummit.zohobackstage.com/KETOSUMMIT2020MIDWEST?lang=en

 

[capitalcityguy]

Any diet like this is done. Eat in moderation, eat more vegetables, eat less processed foods and sugars, and you will be fine long term. That is a sustainable model. Keto is nothing more than another fad aimed at a quick fix. Everybody wants the quick fix but it won't last.

Eat a little better, and get your ass in the gym. End of story.

Agree 100% in dropping sugar and processed foods.

Disagree on veggies though. Many people have sensitivities to certain vegetables that they never realize until they stop eating them for awhile.

Plants have defense mechanisms (e.g….toxins) like everything else on the planet. This is their way to help ensure they don’t become extinct. A lot of us built up resistances over time….or just accepted the digestive issues as “normal”.

People are different and many are now discovering removing certain vegetables (or all) clear up long experienced negative health issues. So I take exception to the blanket statement to just eat vegetables and you’ll be fine.

Radical? Yeah (based on what we’ve been told) but there is actually a lot written on the toxins found in fruits and veggies.

 

[Nader_uggghhh]

Agree 100% in dropping sugar and processed foods.

Disagree on veggies though. Many people have sensitivities to certain vegetables that they never realize until they stop eating them for awhile.

Plants have defense mechanisms (e.g….toxins) like everything else on the planet. This is their way to help ensure they don’t become extinct. A lot of us built up resistances over time….or just accepted the digestive issues as “normal”.

People are different and many are now discovering removing certain vegetables (or all) clear up long experienced negative health issues. So I take exception to the blanket statement to just eat vegetables and you’ll be fine.

Radical? Yeah (based on what we’ve been told) but there is actually a lot written on the toxins found in fruits and veggies.

I've heard about the carnivore diet on the Rogan pod. I find the science behind it interesting, but it doesnt seem socially feasible. I would expect people to treat me like a psychopath if all I ate were meat lol. Dating would be impossible.

 

[GetAwesome]

For some odd reason the simplest solution is always the unpopular one.

Be very weary of all trending diets, and remove buzzwords from your vocabulary. "Paleo", "Keto",
"Atkins" (and the list goes on), these are pseudo-science at best to sell you books, meal planning products, and supplements.

I understand everyone is in a different place in their lives physically, mentally, emotionally, and more often than not a kick-in-the-a** fad diet is needed to jumpstart the desired change. I get that, and I can get behind that.

But do so with a specific timeline and plan in mind to ease off the reliance of the latest trend. Short-term rapid weight loss is very hard on your body and its internal systems. You will fall off the wagon eventually, for lifestyle reasons, or simply it being too expensive, or a health scare. If the trending diet you've chosen is the only plan in mind, rest assured you will eventually put all the weight back on.

The only sustainable and scientifically proven path to a healthier weight is an incremental, long-term commitment to changing your lifestyle: Increase your activity (and when you feel bored or in a very steady routine, increase it yet again). Reduce your sugar intake. Consume fewer calories than you burn. Do not drink your calories, unless you're tailgating (i.e. immediately cut out all energy drinks, fruit juices, sodas, especially the ones with "diet" or "zero calorie" in the name.)

I don't mean this to sound like a soapbox, I just want to encourage us all to safely get to where we want to be, and save ourselves some money and long-term health risks. Instead, use the money spent on a fad diet or program and treat yo'self to more Cyclone stuff.

 

[capitalcityguy]

I've heard about the carnivore diet on the Rogan pod. I find the science behind it interesting, but it doesnt seem socially feasible. I would expect people to treat me like a psychopath if all I ate were meat lol. Dating would be impossible.

For some reason, my wife frowns on the idea of me dating, so that isn’t an issue for me.

Rogan is where I first heard about it too.

There actually is only limited science on it so far, most is personal experiences. Socially it can be issue. You either eat before you go or you hope that there is something on the menu you can eat. I actually don’t find it that hard, but I’m fortunate as I don’t have huge food sensitivities, so I’m able to tolerate if meat has been seasoned (I normally only do salt and pepper) and will even have a side salad if it comes with a meal. Wings are a life safer at a lot of places (e.g…even a carb heavy place like Felix and Oscars offers wings).

Everyone is different. Once I lost the weight and level off, I wasn’t as strict as I was the first few months. Don’t get me wrong, I’d never eat a piece of pizza or a donut (for example), as those things tear you up once your body is used to not be subjected to things like that.

 

[CycoCyclone]

Read "The Obesity Code"

I lost 75 lbs Keto

 

[capitalcityguy]

For some odd reason the simplest solution is always the unpopular one.

Be very weary of all trending diets, and remove buzzwords from your vocabulary. "Paleo", "Keto",
"Atkins" (and the list goes on), these are pseudo-science at best to sell you books, meal planning products, and supplements.

I understand everyone is in a different place in their lives physically, mentally, emotionally, and more often than not a kick-in-the-a** fad diet is needed to jumpstart the desired change. I get that, and I can get behind that.

But do so with a specific timeline and plan in mind to ease off the reliance of the latest trend. Short-term rapid weight loss is very hard on your body and its internal systems. You will fall off the wagon eventually, for lifestyle reasons, or simply it being too expensive, or a health scare. If the trending diet you've chosen is the only plan in mind, rest assured you will eventually put all the weight back on.

The only sustainable and scientifically proven path to a healthier weight is an incremental, long-term commitment to changing your lifestyle: Increase your activity (and when you feel bored or in a very steady routine, increase it yet again). Reduce your sugar intake. Consume fewer calories than you burn. Do not drink your calories, unless you're tailgating (i.e. immediately cut out all energy drinks, fruit juices, sodas, especially the ones with "diet" or "zero calorie" in the name.)

I don't mean this to sound like a soapbox, I just want to encourage us all to safely get to where we want to be, and save ourselves some money and long-term health risks. Instead, use the money spent on a fad diet or program and treat yo'self to more Cyclone stuff.

I’ll just offer this to the conventional wisdom we’ve all heard forever (yet we keep getting fatter and fatter)….often times being told to us by doctors and nutritionists who are often overweight themselves.


This narrative fails to consider how different people are (especially depending on what part of the world their ancestors came from) and how different foods (many that are preached to us as “healthy” ) are negatively affecting them both physically and mentally. We weren’t meant to consume much of what we are told is healthy….in any portion or regardless how much exercise we get.


If you look at the fact human beings have existed and evolved over thousands of years and the vast majority of the time we ate very limited variety of foods, fasted for periods of time (due to necessity….not necessarily choice) and our diets were highly meat based.


Our current “recommended” diet is a fad in terms of human history.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

articles from health/nutritional journals? LOLZ i take my science from joe rogan podcast only.

idiots.

 

[cayin]

This guy has very informative lectures on You Tube. Here are a couple.

 

[capitalcityguy]

articles from health/nutritional journals? LOLZ i take my science from joe rogan podcast only.

idiots.

Yeah…because the medical and nutritional resources have never failed us to date. Faulty studies (test subjects trusted to keep accurate “food journals”), questionable funding sources (e.g….food processors, ag, and chemical companies), etc. Nothing can go wrong there.

Can I get you some more low fat margarine?

I have a lot more confidence in doctors actually doing keto and carnivore themselves (and guiding their patients to so as well) and reporting on all the associated benefit than the institutions that have failed us measurably for the last few decades.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Why not just go Paleo? It seems much better, safer, and more flexible.

I used to think some of these extreme diets were attractive but at this point I'm just going to count Macros at 40/35/25 and call it good. If I keep those in line, I think it'll be fine.

 

[Gorm]

I have done Keto on an off since 2015. 6'2" and 380 at my highest weight in 2010. Currently at 220, and have never felt better. Still have significant skin issues which will probably have to be addressed at some point.

 

[SpokaneCY]

insulin resistance is a possible side effect according to the nih. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/

https://ehe.osu.edu/directory/?id=volek.1

This guy does studies on humans. That article was rats for 8 weeks.

 

[SpokaneCY]

"Weight loss is the primary reason my patients use the ketogenic diet. Previous research shows good evidence of a faster weight loss when patients go on a ketogenic or very low carbohydrate diet compared to participants on a more traditional low-fat diet, or even a Mediterranean diet. However, that difference in weight loss seems to disappear over time."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog...mate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089

"In the general population, Blinten said a keto diet should only be considered in extreme cases.

“It can do more harm than good. It can damage the heart, which is also a muscle,” she explained."

"“People are using this for cosmetic reasons, but it’s so extreme that it’s dangerous,” she said."

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/keto-diet-is-gaining-popularity-but-is-it-safe-121914#6

"The downsides: While the research is exciting, there's very little evidence to show that this type of eating is effective — or safe — over the long term for anything other than epilepsy. Plus, very low carbohydrate diets tend to have higher rates of side effects, including constipation, headaches, bad breath and more. Also, meeting the diet's requirements means cutting out many healthy foods, making it difficult to meet your micronutrient needs."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-...opular-diet-trends-of-the-moment/art-20390062

Stop progressing the fad that is Keto. It is dangerous and shows no long term benefit.

Stop progressing the fad that Keto is high protein and very low carbs.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Sometimes its just which eggheads you choose to trust.

https://www.artandscienceoflowcarb.com/research/

 

[capitalcityguy]

I have done Keto on an off since 2015. 6'2" and 380 at my highest weight in 2010. Currently at 220, and have never felt better. Still have significant skin issues which will probably have to be addressed at some point.

I've read many accounts of people who's skin issues got better on Keto but didn't clear up until they went full Carnivore.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Atkins is a high protein diet. Keto is moderate protein and higher fat diet. Keto diets can vary wildly and probably have wildly differing overall health outcomes depending on what is being eaten. I choose to get most of my fats from nuts, seeds, and other plant sources and avoid fatty meats generally. I do eat wild caught fish and pasture raised meats. Truthfully, keto can be pretty low protein and largely plant based. Personally, I think fasting is more important than staying in ketosis all the time. I'm not on the bacon based keto diet.

Many people don't understand the nuances - you laid it out really well in this post. People really make the mistake of ketoacidosis vs ketosis too. HUGE difference.

And I'm not saying keto is the way for everyone or anyone. Worked wonders for me - cholesterol, BP, fasting glucose, gout, GERD, energy levels. Your results may vary. You can make it as drastic or mild as you want. You can eat bacon or avocados. Hamburger or lamb. Fish or chicken. Olives and olive oils. Seeds, nuts, etc...

End of the day - if you're unhealthy find ways to eat more healthy and find ways to make it stick as your lifestyle. Low fat and lots of cardio if that's your thing. High fats and heavy resistance training if that's your thing. Low carb and moderate protein if that's your thing.

Also look for other biomarkers to assess your results. Weight loss is cool, but what about lipids profiles. BP, fasting glucose, A1C - whatever. Measure it to manage it.

 

[GetAwesome]

I’ll just offer this to the conventional wisdom we’ve all heard forever (yet we keep getting fatter and fatter)….often times being told to us by doctors and nutritionists who are often overweight themselves.


This narrative fails to consider how different people are (especially depending on what part of the world their ancestors came from) and how different foods (many that are preached to us as “healthy” ) are negatively affecting them both physically and mentally. We weren’t meant to consume much of what we are told is healthy….in any portion or regardless how much exercise we get.


If you look at the fact human beings have existed and evolved over thousands of years and the vast majority of the time we ate very limited variety of foods, fasted for periods of time (due to necessity….not necessarily choice) and our diets were highly meat based.


Our current “recommended” diet is a fad in terms of human history.

It may be conventional wisdom we've all heard over and over, and yet the portions of society that just keep getting fatter and fatter are also rarely applying that conventional wisdom to their own life in a long-term, committed way - including any old school doc who does not practice what he preaches.

As for evolution, you're right that our understanding of nutritional physiology has evolved over thousands of years. High-fat, high-protein, fasting-period diets are a regression to days where food was limited to what you could hunt, farm, gather, prepare in your immediate vicinity, which also covers the same span of human history where life expectancy was incredibly short and causes of heart disease and liver and kidney function troubles were either entirely unknown or misunderstood.

Science is not a fad. We have evolved, and our evolution tells us balanced nutrition and a balanced lifestyle of activity and rest give us the best shot at overall improved health. I would hope that "conventional wisdom" agreed upon by the scientific findings of modern history would be taken to heart more easily than a trending diet from pop culture media being pushed by industries with apps, apparel, and supplements to sell.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I follow Dr Ken Berry's Facebook page and also Dr Shawn Baker YouTube channel. Interestingly, they'll both be at a Keto Conference in Omaha this coming January of 2020.

https://midwestketosummit.zohobackstage.com/KETOSUMMIT2020MIDWEST?lang=en

Always wanted to attend one of those conference... Amazing amount of current science that comes out of those.