As much as we all love him, that was Halliburton not stopping the ball and not being strong with the rebound.
Perspective on the team and our fanbase
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If it was Year 9 of the Hoiberg and the trajectory was the same as CSP’s first 4 years you would be hearing the same things. It is the Tom Davis effect. Once you reach a plateau you want to reach for the next level. Even Fred would be getting grief about the program plateauing if this was his 9th year.
It’s a bit more than that. Drew is to a lesser degree a Bruce Weber control freak on offense. He called the offensive sets/actions on 65% of Baylor’s possessions. He manipulated the pace of play by using 25 seconds of play before they would start an action. He dialed up a great action to get an uncontested layup when they had two seconds left on the shot clock for a sideline out of bounds.
And he has some shooters on this team such they can survive a 4-18 shooting night from Mason. It isn’t rocket science but he controlled the game as a visiting coach in one of the toughest Big 12 environments.
Lard made 2 free throws to put us at down 1. At 2:00, Baylor had just made a 3 pointer to go up 4 with 2 mins to play, and we weren't scoring. That's why the crowd was silent.
There is a lot more going on in that sequence besides just Halliburton.
This is so true. There was one dude out on twitter who literally @ coach prohm to be fired and @ fred to be hired. This is how dumb people are. I get it you're a fanatic, but doing that is just straight up ludicrous and pathetic.
When the conference records were posted from years under Fred, it really puts things into perspective. These guys are right there with them, only the narrative has been reversed. Fred's teams couldn't win on the road and occasionally wouldn't get up for games because they thought the name on the jersey didn't matter.
Prohm gets these guys to bounce back from odd losses, but there just needs to be a consistent effort night in and night out. I don't know if these will be learning lessons or what. It does truly suck because of how invested we get into these teams, how close they are/were to winning the conference title, but I guess we just hope this is all erased by a tourney run. Maybe the tourney is something they'll really get up for.
Babb also does some weird ballerina jump with Adam Woodbury T-Rex arms in a strange attempt at a rebound, and Mike Jacobson goes through the effort of running the entire length of the floor, only to look down and away from the ball and turn his back towards the rebound as the ball bounces off the rim/backboard.
Absolutely. If Fred had followed the collapse in 2014-15 with 10-8 in 2015-16, he would have needed at least a Sweet 16 that year to prevent that two/three year run as not being viewed as a disappointing missed opportunity. That is with the benefit of getting credit for putting that group together. Had 2016-17 and 17-18 transpired in the same manner under Hoiberg, to be followed up by this missed opportunity in Year 9, many would wonder what would it take Hoiberg to have a breakthrough year. And again, that’s with the benefit of “rebuilding” this program and having an unprecedented 9 year run.
It’s not 1999-2001 easy, but many things aligned for this season to be that banner year. Prohm hit on several recruits, had major injuries to top conference foes, and won some close road games. For that to be befuddled by home losses (to depleted TCU and Baylor teams) merits disappointment and doubt.
But prohm can’t be judged on what came before him. It is unrealistic to expect a new coach to make the same improvements that the other one should have made. Look at Ohio State. That was a successful program when Matta quit and they aren’t better than that now. Obviously prohm had some advantages but he shouldn’t be held to the standard that Fred would have been held to in year 9. His standard is year 4.
I have noticed that this year's ISU is very lean. They could all do with an additional 15-20 pounds, especially the bigs.
Awesome dude let’s sacrifice our speed and agility cuz Baylor. Thanks for the input.
Oh, little Gunner. How many years into your meltdown are you? I hope you’re happier than you appear.
I agree. NWB looks confused and THT lets the guy run past him pretty easily and goes for the exciting block instead of trying to swipe the ball earlier or force the ballhandler to change directions. Still, TH makes the two most blatant misjudgements as far as I can tell. Jacobson turning his back to the rebound was weird too.
Well there is one thing you and Prohm have in common. You’re both not very good at comebacks.
Why? So they can get fat like Doke and not play 70% of the year cause their feet can’t handle such a heavy load?
No, not at all.
Programs spend millions on S&C for a reason, and that usually does include putting some good weight on to players
I’m not implying that he should. The poster implied that people are killing CSP for essentially the same record that CFH had in the first 5 years. What I am telling you is that Fred would not be adored in the same fashion it this was Year 9 and he had CSP’s results in Year 6-9. Right or wrong, it is the nature of a fanbase to want/expect to continue building.
With Ohio State they fired Matta after an NIT and a missed tournament. Holtman was 25-9 in his first season with a 15-3 conference record. I think Ohio State is in a better situation when you look at how Matta’s career ended.
