Hilton has lost its luster....

[Cycsk]

As someone who has had a bit to do with lighting an arena I can tell you that I am pretty certain that it is not darker in the parquet and balcony than it was before. It is likely marginally brighter. What has changed is that it is very much brighter and more evenly lit on the floor. This is good for HD and (someday) higher resolution television. This means that when the cameras balance for the light level on the floor the rest of the arena appears darker.

Generally, I think you are right. The floor is much brighter and the rest seems darker on TV. Probably lots of good reasons from a video perspective to do it. However, I think that the brightness has taken away from the rich gold tones under the old lights. Like others have said, it makes it look like any other floor (except for the crazy ones like TCU, Oregon, etc.). And on the few times I've sat near the floor, I've needed a visor because it was painfully bright.

But what about those who are in the balcony and think it is darker? Is that just their eyes adjusting the contrast so that the brighter floor makes them think the balcony is darker?

 

[Max57]

I'm going to blame the students. They seem to get more tame each year and it's particularly bad this year. The've rarely (if ever) filled up their section and not really all that intense.

 

[Cycsk]

I'm going to blame the students. They seem to get more tame each year and it's particularly bad this year. The've rarely (if ever) filled up their section and not really all that intense.

The schedule has worked against them this year as indicated by the lack of camp-outs this season. If the conference championship comes down to a Saturday game with Texas Tech (which it probably won't), it would put our student section to the test. Regardless, they should make that last home game a huge deal (as well as the women if they play NCAA tournament games at Hilton). These freshmen have only experienced that level of fan support on TV or on a recruitment visit, but not in person yet this year.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Could not disagree more. Hilton was one of the few arenas where the court didn't stand out. I love it that the seating isn't brightly lit.

 

[VeloClone]

Generally, I think you are right. The floor is much brighter and the rest seems darker on TV. Probably lots of good reasons from a video perspective to do it. However, I think that the brightness has taken away from the rich gold tones under the old lights. Like others have said, it makes it look like any other floor (except for the crazy ones like TCU, Oregon, etc.). And on the few times I've sat near the floor, I've needed a visor because it was painfully bright.

But what about those who are in the balcony and think it is darker? Is that just their eyes adjusting the contrast so that the brighter floor makes them think the balcony is darker?

The answer to your question about the balcony is likely yes.

The color temperature of the LED lights is probably quite a bit different than the old lights. I doubt Hilton got color tuning LEDs so they are stuck with whatever they were to begin with. They do make color tuning LED fixtures that are a godsend for arenas that do both NBA and NHL since the two leagues have very different color temperature standards.

Also the Color Rendering Index (CRI) ratings of early LEDs were extremely variable from one company's fixtures to another. If the CRI is low, colors will not read true. When Hilton got their LEDs the industry was still finding itself in the LED fixture market so there were a lot of them with pretty poor CRI ratings.

 

[SCyclone]

Lighting doesn't bother me when I am there, can't speak to it on TV.

I think the crowds are less intense, but I'd put 60% of the blame on cell phones, 30% on the inane videoboard events, and 10% on people not being as intense about sports as they used to be (ie more families and less rabid crazies).

This. They should be outlawed at Hilton.

Wherever I go these days, I'd bet a vast majority of the people I see have their faces buried in their cell phones.....sorry, that's just not me. If I'm not at work, I don't pay much attention to it.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

Could not disagree more. Hilton was one of the few arenas where the court didn't stand out. I love it that the seating isn't brightly lit.

Totally agree, I think viewing the game on TV is much better. I can't believe people are complaining about not seeing the fans as well. Sometimes I think we have the most self-centered fans in the country.

 

[SCyclone]

I can get on board with this; and I think it's a general secular trend around the country. We seem to make fun of Iowa-Carver, but I'm concerned the apathy is spreading with most arenas.
Since I live in Houston, I can only watch on TV and it seems less intense:
1. TV is killing the flow and momentum. (3) media time outs per half + (5) team TOs.
2. Starting games at 11 am; heck even 1pm is kinda a killer.
3. Hope we never do the B1G schedule with Sunday games, but they have to find TV time for all the teams.

Actually, there are 4 per half - 16:00, 12:00, 8:00, and 4:00 marks.

 

[SCyclone]

Then you're not who I thought you might be. There's a guy in 238 that gets pretty profane when we're down a few points. And he's pretty loud...

Would that be @NWICY? Well, I sat in his seat once this year. Was it me?

jimlad/

 

[VeloClone]

Actually, there are 4 per half - 16:00, 12:00, 8:00, and 4:00 marks.

And there are only 4 team timeouts with only 3 of those able to be carried over to the second half. There haven't been 5 team timeouts since the 2014-15 season. Also they changed the rule so a team timeout will also serve as the media time out when it is within 30 seconds of a scheduled media time out. These rule changes greatly reduced the number of timeouts.

 

[EnhancedFujita]

Wasn't the exact opposite of this argument had like 4 years ago with people complaining that we couldn't dim the lights and how lame our intro routine was at the time.

I feel like they made a lot of strides in that area and the intro with the lights dimming is really cool now. I think anyone saying the light levels are effecting the crowd atmosphere is looking too much into it. You have to remember, atmosphere was sketchy last year because we sucked and people are fickle. This year, it feels a little down at times even though were good, but I think its a little leftover from last year and a little that we've had the home game letdowns of KSU and TCU. I think those losses sapped a bit of the fan base momentum.

 

[CyBobby]

The new lighting scheme sucks, but it’s not why we’ve lost a few at home.

I agree...If you want to win ALL of your home games (Like KU).... its real easy. Just recruit better players than K-State and TCU, there I fixed it for you......

 

[Cycsk]

The answer to your question about the balcony is likely yes.

The color temperature of the LED lights is probably quite a bit different than the old lights. I doubt Hilton got color tuning LEDs so they are stuck with whatever they were to begin with. They do make color tuning LED fixtures that are a godsend for arenas that do both NBA and NHL since the two leagues have very different color temperature standards.

Also the Color Rendering Index (CRI) ratings of early LEDs were extremely variable from one company's fixtures to another. If the CRI is low, colors will not read true. When Hilton got their LEDs the industry was still finding itself in the LED fixture market so there were a lot of them with pretty poor CRI ratings.

Sorry, but when I read this, I heard it in my mind with a Ron Burgundy BS voice!

So you are saying we might have janky light bulbs? Hard to imagine that Musco wasn't on top of what was the very best for us.

 

[coachsn]

This is my first post ever...

And I am making it to say that this is one of the most ridiculous and ill informed posts I have read on here in the past 5 years of paying attention.

 

[CyBobby]

The combination of a long bye week and stewing in a WTF loss is noxious.

TCU is a good team, but we still should have beaten them in Hilton, it basically wrecked our chances of winning the conference and making it to Des Moines for the NCAA tournament, and, while, again, they are a good team, we did not play well on Saturday.

That was probably our worst game of the season.

I agree TCU is a very good team, led by a very good coach, Jamie Dixon....but we should have beaten them by at least 10 points...

 

[CascadeClone]

You and that Granny that yells "rebound" for ever missed shot by either team!

OMG yes, just the worst. She's about 4 rows back and to my left....

it's not our guys fault if the other team clangs a 3 and it bounces 30 feet back, we're not going to get most of those FFS.

 

[CyBobby]

maybe if Prohm wore better ties we would win at home. Needs to stop shopping at JC Penny.

Love your Post...tongue in cheek...Maybe CSP should buy his ties from Badowers down on Ingersoll.....

 

[cycloneML]

is this why the old people in the good seats are asleep during the game?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Would that be @NWICY? Well, I sat in his seat once this year. Was it me?

jimlad/

Funny! Nope...it's a few rows in front of his seats.

 

[Sigmapolis]