*** Official IOWA STATE VS #8 Texas Tech Game(Day) Thread ***

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Before the season started I felt this team would be one of the 3 best B12 teams. Opinion hasn't changed even after the losses. What were your expectations?

Didn't give up on the season, that's what you and other posters inferred since I said something that was slightly negative. I used hyperbole in my poor attempt at humor but the main point of my post is honest. That streaming pile the team laid on the court VS KSU killed my excitement. This win against TTU was great but can't overcome that stinker by itself. Now if they beat OSU and Ole miss I'll prob get warm and fuzzy feelings again. Right or wrong that's how I feel.

I think you way undervalue K State. Say what you will about their Elite 8 last year (from this exact collection of players), that experience matters, and just because they started out a little rough and looked vulnerable doesn't make that a bad loss. I doubt any national basketball expert sees that as anything close to a bad loss in the grand scheme (even though it was bad from the standpoint that we should have closed out and won it).
 

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I think you way undervalue K State. Say what you will about their Elite 8 last year (from this exact collection of players), that experience matters, and just because they started out a little rough and looked vulnerable doesn't make that a bad loss. I doubt any national basketball expert sees that as anything close to a bad loss in the grand scheme (even though it was bad from the standpoint that we should have closed out and won it).
Maybe, what got me most about that loss is not the loss itself but how we lost. We just melted down in the last mins. LIke we did vs Baylor but it was at home. It indicated a pattern that teams can't overcome if they want to be successful at a High level.

Is encouraging that the team showed grit VS a gritty team but this team needs to show this every game not just against ranked teams.
 
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Maybe, what got me most about that loss is not the loss itself but how we lost. We just melted down in the last mins. LIke we did vs Baylor but it was at home. It indicated a pattern that teams can't overcome if they want to be successful at a High level.

Is encouraging that the team showed grit VS a gritty team but this team needs to show this every game not just against ranked teams.

Fair enough, and how we lost vs who we lost to is a very important distinction. The first reveals an immediate lack of execution, whereas the second may be more revealing of the quality of our team.

The good news is that it was a fairly isolated incident, from a team still learning to play together. You are simply not going to have it every night out, and when it comes down to the final play or two, luck does play a part.
 

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I think you way undervalue K State. Say what you will about their Elite 8 last year (from this exact collection of players), that experience matters, and just because they started out a little rough and looked vulnerable doesn't make that a bad loss. I doubt any national basketball expert sees that as anything close to a bad loss in the grand scheme (even though it was bad from the standpoint that we should have closed out and won it).
It’s not a bad loss, but it’s a big loss imo.
It’s not a bad loss in the Drake sense, but if you’re talking about a roster set up for a peak season, it’s got a huge opportunity cost. Losing at home in that fashion
 

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Before the season started I felt this team would be one of the 3 best B12 teams. Opinion hasn't changed even after the losses. What were your expectations?

Didn't give up on the season, that's what you and other posters inferred since I said something that was slightly negative. I used hyperbole in my poor attempt at humor but the main point of my post is honest. That streaming pile the team laid on the court VS KSU killed my excitement. This win against TTU was great but can't overcome that stinker by itself. Now if they beat OSU and Ole miss I'll prob get warm and fuzzy feelings again. Right or wrong that's how I feel.

NCAA tourney. Preferably not the play-in games and maybe a step above that is not the 8/9 line.
 

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It’s not a bad loss, but it’s a big loss imo.
It’s not a bad loss in the Drake sense, but if you’re talking about a roster set up for a peak season, it’s got a huge opportunity cost. Losing at home in that fashion

At this point, it's done and over with. Hopefully, along with that L, we carry forward the learning experience. It seems as though we did last night.
 

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At this point, it's done and over with. Hopefully, along with that L, we carry forward the learning experience. It seems as though we did last night.

Encouragement last night is that ISU was still stuck on a few gears but still won.
 
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Johnny Orr's teams really struggled on the road. I think one year they had a 9-5 record in conference, and that was their best.

Over the years, now and again I've wondered why Johnny's teams were so extreme between home and road ... it has come up on fan boards through the years, every now & again.

I don't know if the style of play simply "didn't travel well," like the up-tempo aspects worked well at Hilton because of being fueled by momentum and crowd feedback, when those details aren't present away from home, or what it was. For whatever reason it seems like the difference of W's between home/away/neutral seemed unusual when consider in a 1.5-decade span. (Not like the sample size was small).

Almost all CBB teams do better at home, that's typical. Was there a wider difference for JO's team compared to average? Or is that just because I paid closer attention to it.
 

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I noticed last night that kid Matt Mooney that we recruited was 0-3 from three, scored 8 points, shot no free throws, had 1 assist and 2 turnovers. Can't say we missed out on anything there. Definitely take all our freshmen over him. That whole team is Culver and then a bunch of average Joes.
 
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I think you way undervalue K State. Say what you will about their Elite 8 last year (from this exact collection of players), that experience matters, and just because they started out a little rough and looked vulnerable doesn't make that a bad loss. I doubt any national basketball expert sees that as anything close to a bad loss in the grand scheme (even though it was bad from the standpoint that we should have closed out and won it).
Barry Brown is a BALLER. And I see Wade hit 20 last night vs. OU.
 

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I watched the replay on the 5 second call (up 61-56 with under 4 to go). Absolutely HORRIBLE call. As soon as the ref gives the ball to Babb, he has his "counting arm" out for the first second - that wasn't even one second. As an official, you should give the ball to the player and mentally be counting "one thousand one" and the counting arm goes out at the end of the phrase. Next, his 3rd pass with his counting arm is much faster than the 2nd time he did it. The other egregious error was that he blows the whistle immediately after extending his counting arm on the 4th second. He had hardly started to count that final second. I timed that sequence and the total elapsed time (from Nick getting the ball to throwing it inbounds) was about 3.5 seconds. I know officiating is quite subjective and there are going to be blown calls, but that was just AWFUL officiating. It's stuff like that (and the end of the KSU game where the Wildcats get an extra possession because a ref who is at half court overturns a call - wrong call in fact - that happened on the baseline with his partner having a much better view) can totally change the course of the game. Fortunately we were able to counteract that terrible call last night - but it definitely helped TTU to get over the hump of their 5-7 pt deficits late in the game to eventually tie it. Just like in the KSU game - Wade scored a two pointer off that "free" possession. If that call is NOT made, at the worst, ISU is up 5, drains about 25 seconds off the clock, misses a shot & KSU's ability to make up the 5 point deficit is much more difficult. Instead, they are only down 3 with 30 more seconds on the game clock.
 

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In terms of answering the bell when it counted, last night was one of the better defensive performances I can remember from an ISU team. Tech missed plenty of good looks but it seemed like every time they scored or got a little momentum, we made a stop. There were 5 or 6 times if felt like Tech was making a move and we'd hold them for a couple possessions. NWB isn't getting nearly enough credit for his work on Culver defensively. He made him work for everything. Culver had to be getting frustrated.
 

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In terms of answering the bell when it counted, last night was one of the better defensive performances I can remember from an ISU team. Tech missed plenty of good looks but it seemed like every time they scored or got a little momentum, we made a stop. There were 5 or 6 times if felt like Tech was making a move and we'd hold them for a couple possessions. NWB isn't getting nearly enough credit for his work on Culver defensively. He made him work for everything. Culver had to be getting frustrated.

I agree that we were really good, thought I'd say really good in the last 25 minutes or so and had some issues in the first 15. I'd also rate our game holding KU to 60 as better overall.
 
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I watched the replay on the 5 second call (up 61-56 with under 4 to go). Absolutely HORRIBLE call. As soon as the ref gives the ball to Babb, he has his "counting arm" out for the first second - that wasn't even one second. As an official, you should give the ball to the player and mentally be counting "one thousand one" and the counting arm goes out at the end of the phrase. Next, his 3rd pass with his counting arm is much faster than the 2nd time he did it. The other egregious error was that he blows the whistle immediately after extending his counting arm on the 4th second. He had hardly started to count that final second. I timed that sequence and the total elapsed time (from Nick getting the ball to throwing it inbounds) was about 3.5 seconds. I know officiating is quite subjective and there are going to be blown calls, but that was just AWFUL officiating. It's stuff like that (and the end of the KSU game where the Wildcats get an extra possession because a ref who is at half court overturns a call - wrong call in fact - that happened on the baseline with his partner having a much better view) can totally change the course of the game. Fortunately we were able to counteract that terrible call last night - but it definitely helped TTU to get over the hump of their 5-7 pt deficits late in the game to eventually tie it. Just like in the KSU game - Wade scored a two pointer off that "free" possession. If that call is NOT made, at the worst, ISU is up 5, drains about 25 seconds off the clock, misses a shot & KSU's ability to make up the 5 point deficit is much more difficult. Instead, they are only down 3 with 30 more seconds on the game clock.
They also should not have counted that 3 pointer on the foul under the basket.
 

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I noticed last night that kid Matt Mooney that we recruited was 0-3 from three, scored 8 points, shot no free throws, had 1 assist and 2 turnovers. Can't say we missed out on anything there. Definitely take all our freshmen over him. That whole team is Culver and then a bunch of average Joes.

To be fair we got him in early foul trouble. The TT games I have watched he has looked pretty good.
 

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They also should not have counted that 3 pointer on the foul under the basket.
They completely missed Shayok traveling near mid court right before they intentionally fouled though. Being down only 3 at that point is way different than 4.
 
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To be fair we got him in early foul trouble. The TT games I have watched he has looked pretty good.

Yeah, obviously Culver is priority A for your defense, and Mooney is probably priority B, but not a lot of scary guys after that (the Italian kid has looked tough at times, but not tough enough to game plan around). Multiple guys that can get you twenty any given night is probably the biggest area lacking with Texas Tech this year.
 
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