Why so many long 2pt shots

[ISUTex]

A mid range jumper is fine. It's the 2pt shot right inside the 3 line (like a foot or two) that drives me nuts. You might as well do a step back and go for three if your that far out.

How many practice shots are 2's just inside the arc vs shots behind the arc? I'd bet most are behind the arc. To me, a 3 would be an easier shot since they shoot so damn many of them.

 

[RotatingColumn]

I guess I don't understand the problem with taking an open shot regardless of where you are on the court. Saying we're only going to pack it inside or shoot 3s doesnt seem sensible to me. Take the open shot in the flow of the game.

 

[isufbcurt]

Not all long 2's are created equal. If you are taking a long 2 for no reason maybe, however if you are pressured long and drive by the defender but pull up before the help can get to you it is a good shot. If you are finding an open spot to beat the shot clock it is a good shot. If you are terrible (or struggling) from 3 but have been able to hit the long 2, it is a good shot. If the opponent's big has been swatting away everything, and you take the shot so he has no chance or you are trying to pull him out, it is a good shot. If the defense is extending the zone and you can drive around them to a soft spot and that soft spot is a long 2, it is a good shot.

I'm picturing you saying this in a Jeff Foxworthy voice

 

[Cyclonepride]

Just my opinion but some guys are more accurate coming off of a dribble than from a set position. It may just feel more comfortable to him.

That was the point I was going to make. They talk about catching it in rhythm, which absolutely leads to better shooting, and sometimes I think players aren't feeling in rhythm out there for whatever reason, and the movement gets them into a better feel for the shot. I'd rather have them taking in-rhythm long range twos than flat footed or awkward feeling threes.

Nick Babb had a hugely important long two last night.

 

[derpyherky]

 

[ISUTex]

To me a "mid range" and a "long two" are different shots.

 

[DeereClone]

I agree with the OP but it isn't as easy as "just step back and make it a 3" - the step back 3 is probably a lower % shot, even adjusted for the point difference, than the long two with your feet under you. We have to find a way to create good looks at 3 with our feet under us, not just "step back and launch a 3" with your momentum going in the wrong direction.

 

[CTTB78]

I am fine with a midrange shot. What I would consider a midrange shot is 15 or 16ft. Just inside the 3pt line is not what I would consider a midrange shot.

Agree. The pros track all shots from 16 ft to the 3 point line as 'negative' shots. Just inside the line isn't viewed as being efficient, but our guys also have to stay in flow and take shots they are comfortable with.

 

[cycjob]

Probably the wrong thread, but what happened to THT's jumper? He has been good driving to the basket but since the conference season started his jump shot has been waaay off. Last night he barely grazed the rim on a lot of shots and almost air balled a free throw.

Just a confidence thing or is there a flaw which needs to be addressed? We know he can shoot, but he has lost his touch lately. Shooting coach?

 

[RoseClone]

Just to piss Fred off

He got that from Johnny

 

[isutrevman]

worst shot in basketball. 1 foot inside 3 pt line.

Not if its open.

 

[isutrevman]

A mid range jumper is fine. It's the 2pt shot right inside the 3 line (like a foot or two) that drives me nuts. You might as well do a step back and go for three if your that far out.

How many practice shots are 2's just inside the arc vs shots behind the arc? I'd bet most are behind the arc. To me, a 3 would be an easier shot since they shoot so damn many of them.

Judging by the high % Babb and Shayock are hitting on the long twos, I'm guessing they practice them quite a bit. They both look very comfortable with those shots.

 

[ZB4CY]

Not if its open.

Why not take a step back and get 3 points? Still pointless even if it is wide open.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I agree with the OP but it isn't as easy as "just step back and make it a 3" - the step back 3 is probably a lower % shot, even adjusted for the point difference, than the long two with your feet under you. We have to find a way to create good looks at 3 with our feet under us, not just "step back and launch a 3" with your momentum going in the wrong direction.

No one is asking for step back 3Ps, although we take those as well, so maybe overall shot-selection isn’t as great as it should be.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

To me a "mid range" and a "long two" are different shots.

Mid Range or long two is moot. What we really need to focus on here is did we make at least 3 passes prior to the shot?

 

[CyCloned]

It seems like the team (especially Babb) have been taking a lot of 2 pt shots that are only 1-2ft inside of the 3pt line.

Maybe he is like Butch Cassidy and has to move to shoot well:

 

[CyCloned]

No one is asking for step back 3Ps, although we take those as well, so maybe overall shot-selection isn’t as great as it should be.

Babb is the only guy I have seen fake a fairly open 3, dribble once and then put up the 2 just inside the line. Maybe he is being covered better than I think.

 

[ISUTex]

Mid Range or long two is moot. What we really need to focus on here is did we make at least 3 passes prior to the shot?

I thought Hackman wanted four passes before a shot. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[jbindm]

The NBA and NCAA should fully embrace the future of basketball and make a made long two worth -2 points. Legislate it out of the game.

 

[Gunnerclone]

No one here understands flow and rhythm in basketball.