REPORT: Top 4 expansion candidates
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Listened to Podcast with DSM register..CW..on expansion...look I get it CW what u are saying about moving the needle..but you are looking at it from a branding standpoint with these teams..sure that's part of it but what plays a bigger role is getting your conf Network on the local stations. I can assure you the big 12 and its Presidents will lol first and foremost at Uconn...make no mistake Uconn will be in the BIG if the the big 12 doesn't grab them..it gives Rutgers a partner and is the NYC market..the #1 TV market in Amercia. I don't care that nobody cares in NYC about Uconn football..nobody cares in New Jersey about Rutgers football..that's not the point and it's not the point when sitting down negotiating a conf tv network and cable networks..The big 12 gets a conf network into the NYC cable market and you can sit back and count the $$. Let's assume the big 12 goes crazy adds 4 teams Uconn and say UCF(huge school btw), Cinnci, Colorado st
Here would be the ranking of tv markets in the big 12:
#1 NYC
#5 Dallas
#10 Houston
#18 Denver
#19 Orlando
#37 San Antonio
#49 Austin
I'll just stop there. Nearly half of this new conference cities are in top 50 and 5/6 in top 20. That beats BIG, PAC, and ACC. You can't tell me that by adding 3 top 20 tv network teams to this conference doesn't move the needle in tv negotiations. I'm not buying it. There's a reason the BIG added Rutgers and it wasn't for their football history...it's irrelevant. It's about Rutgers playing Ohio st, Michigan etc...
Where Bowlsby comes into play and earns his paycheck is after this conference expands...He will be front and center negotiating the new conf network to ESPN who desperately is trying to stay viable. It's perfect timing for the big 12 to build a conf network with the LHN folded in. It will be called the Big 12 Longhorn Network to appease the ******** in TX.
Here would be the ranking of tv markets in the big 12:
#1 NYC
#5 Dallas
#10 Houston
#18 Denver
#19 Orlando
#37 San Antonio
#49 Austin
I'll just stop there. Nearly half of this new conference cities are in top 50 and 5/6 in top 20. That beats BIG, PAC, and ACC. You can't tell me that by adding 3 top 20 tv network teams to this conference doesn't move the needle in tv negotiations. I'm not buying it. There's a reason the BIG added Rutgers and it wasn't for their football history...it's irrelevant. It's about Rutgers playing Ohio st, Michigan etc...
Where Bowlsby comes into play and earns his paycheck is after this conference expands...He will be front and center negotiating the new conf network to ESPN who desperately is trying to stay viable. It's perfect timing for the big 12 to build a conf network with the LHN folded in. It will be called the Big 12 Longhorn Network to appease the ******** in TX.
I can see both sides. But is TV sets and conference networks the future? Or are we playing the game 5 years late?
Is strength of schedule improved by adding UCF and more likely to get us a seat on the playoff? Would we be better off pushing the envelope and selling online viewing subscriptions? Id buy that **** in a heartbeat.
Beyerball said:
#1 NYC
#5 Dallas
#10 Houston
#18 Denver
#19 Orlando
#37 San Antonio
#49 Austin
Man, if we were trying to sell Pro Baseball, Broadway shows, hot dogs, or popcorn, I am all in . Oh,,, we're selling NCAA football/BB,,,guess I am going to need to think on it.
#1 NYC
#5 Dallas
#10 Houston
#18 Denver
#19 Orlando
#37 San Antonio
#49 Austin
Man, if we were trying to sell Pro Baseball, Broadway shows, hot dogs, or popcorn, I am all in . Oh,,, we're selling NCAA football/BB,,,guess I am going to need to think on it.
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Exactly. CSU is in a spot similar to TCU when the Frogs first started putting money into athletics improvements. They wanted to move up, spent the cash, got better, and made the big leagues. They worked their way up from the old Southwest Conference, which they had belonged to since 1923. When that dissolved, they joined the WAC, then C-USA, then the Mountain West, then the Big East (without ever having played a game there), then to the present day. 15 or so years ago NO one would have wanted TCU in the Big 12, but I don't hear people complaining about them now.
I don't think it was any master plan - it''s more that they struck gold when they promoted DC Gary Patterson to HC when Franchione left.
They had no idea how good he was. No one did. I give TCU credit for spending big $$$ on facilities and salaries to keep him, but again, Patterson fell in their laps by being on Franchione's staff and then succeeding him.
Doubt that Colo State can duplicate that luck...
Ha true..but do U know how many folks follow Uconn men and women's bball in NYC area? Quite a few. The pull for Uconn I think is more their bball than fball for TV sets. Do you think many people in NJ who are paying an extra $2 a month for thr BIg network watch much Rutgers fball? Nope...like I said..it's not about the tradition of the team's it's about the location and negotiating getting the network into those cable systems.
Memphis is pretty cool by me right now. FedEx as a Big 12 sponsor?? What's not to like about that?
The mere possibility of getting a Big 12 Network on the same cable tier as the B1G Network in the NYC area with the addition of UConn makes them by far the best candidate for expansion
That could pump some good money into Big 12 coffers
That could pump some good money into Big 12 coffers
AHEM.
The Big 12 has THREE stadiums over 60k.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Trice_Stadium
Jack Trice seats 61,500.
Guess what? The Big 10 would emulate ISU and say "**** Kansas." The Big 10 isn't so hard up to add KU that they'd also add the academic abomination that is K-State. If the Kansas legislature ties KU to K-State in realignment, it would be the death of both schools - and yet it's such a Kansas legislature thing to do.
Not a chance. The state of Kansas has nearly twice the population (2.9 mil) as North Dakota (757k) and South Dakota (858k) combined.
Definitely not to a P5 conference.
Unless Fargo has a population boom of a million people and they triple the size of the Fargodome.
Oklahoma sports writer Berry Tramel was knocking it out of the park today on xm's college channel talking about how everyone ignores that the LHN only exists because Nebraska, A&M and Oklahoma all begged for it to exist. It was a case of 3 schools drastically mistaking how important they were. 2 bolted away from the mess they themselves created, the other is now a complete hypocrite.
While this is true, if the Big 12 is smart it will focus on what is best to do right now and not worry about placing blame for the LHN or the 2010 exodus. Unfortunately UT and OU have egos the size of Mark Mangino and seem to be committed to "winning" this argument regardless of what that means for the conference
