We were an original member of the Big 6 Conference, Big 7, and Big 8, and finally the Big 12. If we were not an original member we would likely not be where we are at today. That is the difference.
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We were an original member of the Big 6 Conference, Big 7, and Big 8, and finally the Big 12. If we were not an original member we would likely not be where we are at today. That is the difference.
Because we've been in a P5 conference for so much longer, our facilities are far better than CSU for pretty much all sports.
I've said it before, this is my Nostradamus look into the future. Gotta go east - both for media attention and to assault the ACC.
There are only going to be 4 superconferences by 2025. B1G and SEC for sure. Pac12 likely as well since they have no competition out west. So it's a deathmatch between ACC and Big12.
Go east and take a couple schools that would later enable taking 4 teams from the ACC to go Big12 Super. Someday soon the B1G will go after UNC/Duke/UVa and at that point you go after 4 more ACC schools to get to 16. Depending if in the future you want the Northeast or Southeast determines if you want to go for UCF or UConn right now.
(Personally I like UCF better than UConn, because I would prefer to go south after Clemson, FSU, LVille, NC St rather than north after Syracuse and BC. You can get Pitt either way and WV is happy too.)
The money will be fine one way or another if there are only 4 leagues, no matter who you end up with, regardless of cable-cutting, the internet, ESPN, league networks, etc.
You can argue eyeballs, brand, olympic sports, stadium size, AAU, et al. These are not the key factors. It's about beating the competition, ie the ACC. Survival. None of the other stuff matters if you don't exist anymore.
The Big12 and ACC -- in the end, there can be only one.
The ONLY other option I can see is if the Big12 and Pac12 come together as a 24 team super-superconference with Coastal and Plains type halves. Then you just add a couple teams in-between, like CSt or BYU or New Mexico or WGAF State U. But talk about a scheduling mess. For FB you would probably go 10 years between certain teams.
I think if you love ISU you have to hope the Big12 expands and survives. Implosion means a crapshoot with losing meaning the MAC.
There are only going to be 4 superconferences by 2025. B1G and SEC for sure. Pac12 likely as well since they have no competition out west. So it's a deathmatch between ACC and Big12.
Go east and take a couple schools that would later enable taking 4 teams from the ACC to go Big12 Super. Someday soon the B1G will go after UNC/Duke/UVa and at that point you go after 4 more ACC schools to get to 16. Depending if in the future you want the Northeast or Southeast determines if you want to go for UCF or UConn right now.
(Personally I like UCF better than UConn, because I would prefer to go south after Clemson, FSU, LVille, NC St rather than north after Syracuse and BC. You can get Pitt either way and WV is happy too.)
The money will be fine one way or another if there are only 4 leagues, no matter who you end up with, regardless of cable-cutting, the internet, ESPN, league networks, etc.
You can argue eyeballs, brand, olympic sports, stadium size, AAU, et al. These are not the key factors. It's about beating the competition, ie the ACC. Survival. None of the other stuff matters if you don't exist anymore.
The Big12 and ACC -- in the end, there can be only one.
The ONLY other option I can see is if the Big12 and Pac12 come together as a 24 team super-superconference with Coastal and Plains type halves. Then you just add a couple teams in-between, like CSt or BYU or New Mexico or WGAF State U. But talk about a scheduling mess. For FB you would probably go 10 years between certain teams.
I think if you love ISU you have to hope the Big12 expands and survives. Implosion means a crapshoot with losing meaning the MAC.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...xpansion-realignment-add-absolutely-everybody
This is an interesting idea. Not great for ISU, but intersting none the less.
This is an interesting idea. Not great for ISU, but intersting none the less.
Rutgers is a dumpster fire. Horrible add for the big ten from a competition standpoint. I don't want the Big 12 to add horrible schools like that just for the sake of adding them. But from a money standpoint, it sounds like the next big ten contract will be huge just because of the footprint they are in. I do want that for the Big 12.
The next round of conference change will be very well planned between all the conferences. They will work out the details as one not the poaching that went on last round. Way too much money at stake not to.
The Big Ten will be paying something like 45mil to each school. I'd take any schools if it meant that kind of $$$.
ISU will need to pin themselves with Kansas. Both power basketball schools, big alumni followings, etc.... That will be the ticket to a Big12/ACC hybrid combo.
I'm surprised that Central Florida hasn't been mentioned more than once in this thread. I tend to like them as a possibility. Why aren't they being considered?
Lets just go for the grand slam. Combine the Big 12 and ACC to form a 24 team Super Conference. Make it 4 Divisions with 6 teams.
SW: UT, TT, TCU, BU, OU, Okie St
MW: ISU, KU, KSU, WVU, Louisville, Pitt
NE: BC, Cuse, UVA, Va Tech, Duke, UNC
SE: Miami, FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson, Wake, NC State
**ND can just go join the B1G
The SW and SE divisions will be football powers, while the NE and MW will be the shooty hoops power houses. Football will be 5 division games, 4 non-division conference games, and 3 OOC games with division champs in a 4 team playoff.
Unrealistic? Of course, but all this **** is speculation anyway.
SW: UT, TT, TCU, BU, OU, Okie St
MW: ISU, KU, KSU, WVU, Louisville, Pitt
NE: BC, Cuse, UVA, Va Tech, Duke, UNC
SE: Miami, FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson, Wake, NC State
**ND can just go join the B1G
The SW and SE divisions will be football powers, while the NE and MW will be the shooty hoops power houses. Football will be 5 division games, 4 non-division conference games, and 3 OOC games with division champs in a 4 team playoff.
Unrealistic? Of course, but all this **** is speculation anyway.
Only a Kansas can move the basketball meter and will probably "save" Kansas. Bastketball will not save ISU.
ISU has done everything it can to try and stay viable. Stadium upgrades, I think the 3rd or 4th largest in the current big 12. Upgraded facilities. Hire a coach who is young and understands the use technology is how you reach many of today's players. The hope is wins come soon.
All that said, the fact that ISU does not have another in state school in the same conference could be a difficult situation.
Board of regents in other states, could require package deals, OU goes you have to take OSU, Kansas goes do they require KSU to be included?
Guess it comes down to will these mega conferences cap at 64 schools between or go up to 72 when the 4 leagues are formed. If the Big 12 adds 2 schools that puts the current number of P5 schools up to, 68. .
Don't think there will be 5 conferences because eventually college football playoffs move to 8 teams 2 from each conference. So you would only have 4.
Conference championship play off game, winner earns the right to move on (regardless of ranking or record)
And if that were happen mostly likely we have an NFL model, the focus would be on every conference having the same number of teams. That would take us back to 64 or push it up to 72. Nice thing about adding 2 teams to the Big 12, it pushes the number closer to 72.. Just don't see where the other 4 will come from.
Kinda like this, actually. We could win some divisional football games on occasion. The basketball would be boneriffic.
The PAC takes the four Texas schools, Nebraska successfully lobbies for the Kansas schools, the Oklahoma schools join the Confederacy, the ACC takes WVU & UCONN, and we're ****ed.
I've hated the super conferences model from day 1. It's complete idiocy and is ruining college football, but greed conquers all.
Why would the Pac take two schools they don't need or want if they could get a school that gets them Iowa's footprint and has an institutional profile more in line with most of theirs?
TCU and BU are not more valuable to the Pac than us if the Pac is already getting UT.
As it stands now:
SEC: 14 Teams
B1G: 14 Teams
Big 12: 10 Teams
PAC 12: 12 Teams
ACC: 16 Teams (including ND)
That puts you at 66. Who are the first 2 out? I would think it would come down to the following ISU, TCU, Baylor, Utah, BC, Louisville, Purdue, Vanderbilt, Wake. Which 2 do you tell that they aren't worthy to be at the big kids table anymore?
Conversely, who are the next 6 in to get to 72? BYU, UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, New Mexico, Boise St, Service Acadamies, etc.
I think that when they make the move going to a super conference, making it 72 schools and bringing in 6 more will be far easier and more beneficial than dropping 2. We just need to be positioned that we aren't one of the 2 to be dropped should that be the decision.
I'm not sure it is a foregone conclusion that the PAC will take 4 Texas schools. For starters, you have the religious affiliations with TCU and Baylor. The PAC went out and got Utah when BYU would have also been an option. There is a reason for that, because by many measures BYU is the more attractive choice. And the PAC has a fairly lofty opinion of itself academically. I don't see the presidents at places like Cal, UCLA, and UW being too excited about the academics of Taco Tech. And forget about the cultural fit of Lubbock.
When it comes to getting in to the state of Texas, the PAC needs UT. Baylor, TCU, and TTU provide next to no value to the PAC if you have UT on board. That is a lot of baggage for UT to try and drag along. In this scenario, I think a school like KU or ISU would offer more to the PAC than the other Texas schools.
Your logic is posited of what is true. The absolute worst thing for Isu is for this conf to stay at 10..Ou is gone with OSU to SEC if we don't expand. Reality is that these are the teams we are dealt..Cinnci opens up Ohio recruiting for Isu not the opposite. Dude..TX and Ou can go into Ohio already any time they want. Adding Cinnci gives Ohio Hs kids a better reason to come play for Isu...lol.
There is absolutely no way PAC presidents approve TT...not in 100 years...TT is a horrible academic school.
Kansas State does zero for the Big 10 and KSU is not AAU there is zero chance the Big 10 takes, them. Zero chance.
Nebraska was accredited prior to getting in the Big 10, but if they tried to get in today they would be shunned.
Texas contract with ESPN does not end til like 2032, they are never going to give that up. They are not going to the PAC 12. Because the PAC 12 Network has been a failure and they have not delivered the revenue's promised.
Why would Texas sign up for that?
Check out this article, does not sound like things are all wonderful out here on the left coast..
http://www.campusrush.com/pac-12-network-larry-scott-football-1781223526.html
Pac 12 is in the heart of Google, Apple and Amazon country.. Maybe they get them involved in making their network and athletics available even more.
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