All things Virginia
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I think he could have success denying the ball in the post. He's going to have trouble if Georges gets it.
Agree with this. The guys that Georges hits with a great pass need to knock down their shots, whether a guard or a drop off to Jameel.
Announcers in the Arkansas Little Rock game made the point that Big 12 coaches game plan for Niang is to get him in foul trouble and force him into bad places on D, I really think this game comes down to foul problems. Two early ones and it won't be fun...
Unfortunately for us, Virginia is also an extremely efficient offensive team. They are behind us, Duke, and UNC in offensive efficiency, so they can get it done on both sides of the ball. It's not like they are Wisconsin or Cuse on offense
That being said I like ISU in this matchup if they keep playing well in the half court like they have the past few games. Should be a close game and it'll come down to ISU staying out of foul trouble and hitting shots.
What the bolded part tells me is that we are unstoppable and they simply don't play defense in the ACC.
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I would be surprised if we don't score quite a few points on Virginia because that's what we do against almost everyone. I also think Virginia will be able to score with us. As with most games, it will come down to us being able to get key stops and defensive rebounds. This game will likely be close in the last 4 minutes and we will have to make plays late to win the game, something we have struggled with this season.
Other things that concern me would be if we're cold from 3 or we get in foul trouble. We HAVE to shoot the 3-ball well...doesn't mean we need to attempt 25 3s, we just have to hit a good percentage of the ones we take. Foul trouble speaks for itself. If Georges gets 2 fouls early in the game and sits most of the first half, we're in trouble.
It should be a good game, and I think the style that Virginia plays will keep the game close throughout. It will come down to execution in the last 4 minutes, something Virginia is ELITE at, and something we have struggled with.
Other things that concern me would be if we're cold from 3 or we get in foul trouble. We HAVE to shoot the 3-ball well...doesn't mean we need to attempt 25 3s, we just have to hit a good percentage of the ones we take. Foul trouble speaks for itself. If Georges gets 2 fouls early in the game and sits most of the first half, we're in trouble.
It should be a good game, and I think the style that Virginia plays will keep the game close throughout. It will come down to execution in the last 4 minutes, something Virginia is ELITE at, and something we have struggled with.
I think this is right, and ISU has a distinct advantage at 3 of the 5 positions.
For UVa, Brogdon scores 18+ a game, Gill is at 14 and Perrantes just short of 11. But the only other player with more than 5ppg is the 7-footer Tobey off the bench at 7.
When Brogdon creates, you can't leave Perrantes, but the rest of the team aren't great 3-point shooters, so we should be able to help more than we are used to.
I agree with the posters above, I don't think Brogdon can guard Georges one-on-one, but I do think that he'll take him late in the game. It should be a good matchup.
UVa doesn't give up 3s at quite the rate the ALR did, but their opponents do shoot a lot of 3s, and have made them at a 35% clip. Hitting our open 3s will be a key as usual.
That's probably fair, although even putting in the effort to do that ought to create some opportunities for the likes of Nader and Thomas, right?
I think UVA is going to look at the Baylor tape the first time we played. They are going to defend Niang hard denial of the ball. Force the other players to make plays.
We are a good half court offense when Niang is involved. When he doesn't have the ball or is on the bench we struggle to score and rely on jump shots in the half court.
What worries me about UVA is that they capitalize on your mistakes while being very good at not making their own. We have tendency of completely losing our minds for a few mins a game.
Against Iona & ALR they had open looks but weren't able score. UVA won't be as generous.
We are a good half court offense when Niang is involved. When he doesn't have the ball or is on the bench we struggle to score and rely on jump shots in the half court.
What worries me about UVA is that they capitalize on your mistakes while being very good at not making their own. We have tendency of completely losing our minds for a few mins a game.
Against Iona & ALR they had open looks but weren't able score. UVA won't be as generous.
Don't fall into the trap. Points per game don't really matter when you are talking about a team that averages 61 possessions per game because offensively they are incredibly efficient.
BTW everything else in you post I completely agree with.
Player offensive efficiency comparison between Virginia and ISU player (ranked by %minutes play in a game)
| VIRGINIA | %Min | ORtg | eFG% | Assist Rate | TO Rate |
| Malcom Brogdon | 84.6 | 121.6 | 54.8 | 18.9 | 10.2 |
| London Perrantes | 77.6 | 117.3 | 57 | 24.2 | 18.7 |
| Anthony Gill | 70 | 122.2 | 57 | 5.7 | 10.4 |
| Isaish Williams | 53.2 | 115.2 | 52 | 11.7 | 15 |
| Devon Hall | 53.2 | 99.6 | 44.8 | 14.5 | 18.4 |
| Darius Thompson | 44.9 | 110.8 | 58.2 | 14.3 | 22.1 |
| Mike Tobey | 38.7 | 117.8 | 60.1 | 5.7 | 12.6 |
| Marial Shayok | 35.4 | 107 | 57.1 | 14.3 | 19.1 |
| Evan Nolte | 20.4 | 102.9 | 50 | 6.8 | 15 |
| IOWA STATE | %Min | ORtg | eFG% | Assist Rate | TO Rate |
| Monte Morris | 93.9 | 122.9 | 54 | 28.7 | 12.2 |
| Matt Thomas | 82.8 | 116.6 | 59.1 | 7.8 | 14.4 |
| Georges Niang | 82 | 117.4 | 59.9 | 18.9 | 15.7 |
| Abdel Nader | 76.8 | 104 | 55.9 | 8.3 | 20 |
| Jameel McKay | 69.1 | 115.7 | 60.2 | 13.2 | 19.2 |
| Deonte Burton | 34 | 113 | 57.3 | 10.1 | 13.7 |
| Hallice Cooke | 24.5 | 102.3 | 53.5 | 11.7 | 20.4 |
| Jordan Ashton | 13.8 | 88.9 | 44.2 | 4.4 | 18.7 |
Aren't we first in points per possession?
Unless I'm just miss remembering that might be a good stat to look at before someone goes on saying ISU isn't as efficient as Virginia.
Unless I'm just miss remembering that might be a good stat to look at before someone goes on saying ISU isn't as efficient as Virginia.
According to teamrankings.com, ISU is at 1.115 points per possession, and Virginia is at 1.135 over the season.
KenPom still rates ISU slightly higher, with a rating of 120.7 points per 100 possessions and Virginia at 119.2 points per 100 possessions, maybe with some SOS/defenses faced metric thrown in to adjust the raw numbers.
Think you meant Michigan St.
Fwiw Michigan St scored 61 and 63 to beat them the last two years. I'm not sure Iowa St can win only scoring in the low 60's, but that's also Michigan St's style, and there's more than one way to skin a cav.
When you take into consideration how many times Iowa State has lost in the NCAA Tourney to the eventual national champ, I'd say that's a pretty fair pick.
Agreed. The killer has been when teams send players back on transition defense and ISU doesn't get the defensive rebound (other team is getting the offensive rebound) even with the advantage of number of players going after a rebound.
This seemed to be the case with teams like West Virginia or Baylor who both had multiple elite offensive rebounders (Motley, Prince, Gathers, Holton, Williams). If a team is getting offensive rebounds while still getting defenders back to negate transition offense you are in any game you play. For Virginia Gill, Tobey, and Wilkins have respectable offensive rebounding rates, but as a team it is still nothing like Baylor, West Virginia, or Kansas State for that matter.
Agree. Maybe it's just because I hate giving up offensive resounds, but I love it when I see the other team send everyone back on defense.
I think limiting our transition offense hurt us in the Fred years, but with players getting older and more experienced, and Prohm's emphasis on the half court, they've gotten much better there.
