Tom Manning OC

WooBadger18

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Position coach from p5 is an asinine requirement. Would you have felt better if it was Ayeni? Pretty sure Courtney Messingham was a position coach prior to being OC as well.
Well I did say from a successful program. And while I'd rather have an OC from a successful team. I do think I'd rather promote the qb coach from Ohio State than the qb coach from San Jose State.
 

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Well I did say from a successful program. And while I'd rather have an OC from a successful team. I do think I'd rather promote the qb coach from Ohio State than the qb coach from San Jose State.

I'd rather take the better coach of the two, not just based off of the name on the jersey. Every coach starts off at a lower level.
 

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I was excited by the hiring of CMC, but after the nepotism of bringing all-things-Toledo... I'm a bit dismayed. Seriously? The only person we could find to step into a B12 OC coaching position is a Toledo position coach?

One thing I loved about Hoiberg when he came to ISU is that he brought an old sage with him to help him out early. I sure would have loved to see CMC admit his youth in a P5 and hire a couple of old sages to help out.

Praying I'm overwhelmingly shocked when bowl-season rolls around next year! I'll gladly come on here and eat crow!!! In fact, I'll gladly change my user-name to TXCrowEater (tastes like chicken)!

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I'd rather take the better coach of the two, not just based off of the name on the jersey. Every coach starts off at a lower level.
Obviously I would too, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that someone working at a hire profile job may be better than someone who isn't. Obviously I hope he succeeds, and I trust Coach Campbell's judgment on this more than my own. All I'm saying is it makes me a bit nervous.
 

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A lot if dumb in this thread. He is responsible for winning and his career is on the line. If he feels manning is capable, he would know. Sometimes hiring the guy you know and trust is the least risky move because they are a known quantity. Much easier to gamble on the QB coach than risk a toxic hire at OC if you got a guy on staff that you need to keep on staff that will do well.

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I'm on it

Every time I see Londo post:

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Rhoads brought in numerous OC's with varying backgrounds; the "rising star" with OC experience (Herman), promotions within (Mess, Sturdy), and the veteran nationally recognized (Mangino). All which have performed from terrible to mediocre.

At this point I see no special formula on hiring an OC. Except I think it's important that MC gets the OC that will run the offense that he wants/best fits this team. If only Rhoads could have figured that out in the beginning.

Manning seems to be that OC, maybe that's why MC hired him.
 

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Obviously I would too, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that someone working at a hire profile job may be better than someone who isn't. Obviously I hope he succeeds, and I trust Coach Campbell's judgment on this more than my own. All I'm saying is it makes me a bit nervous.

All I'm saying is that there is no need to create arbitrary criteria for the OC. The only thing we do know is that the staff should work well together, which is a good start.
 

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Rhoads brought in numerous OC's with varying backgrounds; the "rising star" with OC experience (Herman), promotions within (Mess, Sturdy), and the veteran nationally recognized (Mangino). All which have performed from terrible to mediocre.

At this point I see no special formula on hiring an OC. Except I think it's important that MC gets the OC that will run the offense that he wants/best fits this team. If only Rhoads could have figured that out in the beginning.

Manning seems to be that OC, maybe that's why MC hired him.

Just win man. We need proven winners. Winners. I want winners and guys that know how to win and guys with HC experience that win. Like Bill Belichick before he took over the Pats.
 

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All I'm saying is that there is no need to create arbitrary criteria for the OC. The only thing we do know is that the staff should work well together, which is a good start.

I agree with this, also I believe if you want to bring in your guy at HC, you have to let him build his staff the way that he believes will give him the best chance to win. I am amazed how many people are questioning and harshly critiquing the hire of a top OL assistant who had OC duties and ran the system our HC wants to implement...
 

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CMC didn't hire Messingham so not sure of your point.
My point was that you can't put too much weight on lack of experience being a concern, because things still hit the fan with some of our previous coordinators who had experience. From what I've read, Manning will be a good coach and at this time I have no reason to question CMC trusting Manning to run the offense.
 

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I was excited by the hiring of CMC, but after the nepotism of bringing all-things-Toledo... I'm a bit dismayed. Seriously? The only person we could find to step into a B12 OC coaching position is a Toledo position coach?

One thing I loved about Hoiberg when he came to ISU is that he brought an old sage with him to help him out early. I sure would have loved to see CMC admit his youth in a P5 and hire a couple of old sages to help out.

Praying I'm overwhelmingly shocked when bowl-season rolls around next year! I'll gladly come on here and eat crow!!! In fact, I'll gladly change my user-name to TXCrowEater (tastes like chicken)!

Someone put this in their sig

I got you. For all of us, I hope that I have to change my user-name.
 

guacamole7

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I got you. For all of us, I hope that I have to change my user-name.

Hoiberg had never coached 1 second of college basketball as an assistant or head coach. CMC has a lot of coaching experience so he doesn't need a Bobby Lutz type.
 

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