Sagarin vs CFPB10 Committee

[ICHawk24]

I agree that the Massey index is the best computer ranking to use. Using a single ranking like Sagarin is crazy business.

You list the CFP has ranked four big Ten an average of 1.5 spots about their Massey result. I hardly see that as systemic bias by the CFP. Can 3/13th of the committee control that much of the ranking? I doubt it.

Committee member Kirby Hocutt is the AD at Texas Tech, with a bachelors from KSU and masters from OU.

Who is the 3rd B1G committee member? Alvarez, Osbourne, and ?

 

[RunDMCyclone]

OP reeks of butthurt IMO.

 

[RunDMCyclone]

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but is there a reference to Ohio St not belonging last year because of VT, or of Michigan St not being good last year?

 

[Jambalaya]

Seems like an undefeated team should be worth more than one loss teams. Looking at you OU.

Rewarding Iowa for beating another garbage Big 10 team defies logic

Osborne and Alvarez--two of the most powerful AD's on the same commitee? from the Big 10?

Osbornes HATES the Big 12...HATES OU for 45 years. HATES any Texas school.....i.e., Baylor

The committee is a joke. DO you thing those two sit around wondering how they can place a better OU team over Iowa?

nope...just the opposite. Massey has Iowa #8, Sagarin #17. It's where Iowa should be

 

[michaelrr1]

Let's use the Massey composite, then. It has 118 computer rankings compiled into a composite. These compare the CFP rankings from last Tuesday to the Massey composite rankings from before this weekend's games. I went through the top 10 teams in each ranking to compare.


Teams Overrated by the Committee
Iowa (+2)
Michigan State (+2)
Clemson (+1)
Notre Dame (+1)


Teams Underrated by the Committee
TCU (-8)
Oklahoma (-3)
Alabama (-1)
Baylor (-1)

So except for TCU, the committee and computers are almost the same. All this talk about bias is absurd, as proven by your post. Unless you want the committee to use exactly what the computers say. But the main reason the computers were replaced was so some common sense could be used to avoid the disasters the BCS created, like 2 teams from the same conference in the title game, nonconference champions in the title game....if you can't win your conference, you have no business competing for a national title.

 

[HFCS]

OP reeks of butthurt IMO.

I guess as butthurt as simple math and simple analysis can be.

 

[isu81]

Everything the committee has ever said should point to Ohio State being about 14th or 15th this week.

I fail to see how TCU could be 18th this week and Ohio State somehow in the top ten next week. One or the other is seriously busted.

What are TCU's impressive wins?

 

[CyFan61]

So except for TCU, the committee and computers are almost the same.

If that's what you see by three Big 12 teams underrated and two Big Ten teams overrated, then OK. Sure it's 1-3 spots but these are just the top 10 teams. There aren't a lot of spots to begin with.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

Watch Oklahoma drop some in the polls because they were suppose to win by more.

 

[HFCS]

What are TCU's impressive wins?

Same as the #3 team in the current ranking. None really. I'm not saying TCU should be 3rd, I'm saying Ohio State's resume isn't any more impressive and if TCU is 18 Ohio State should be around 19 with a weaker SOS. They are 0-1 against good teams.

 

[HFCS]

Watch Oklahoma drop some in the polls because they were suppose to win by more.

Watch Florida not drop (or even move up) for almost losing a planned bye week at home to FAU after TCU plummeted for an identical type of game against KU on the road without key star players.

 

[Wesley]

Coaches and writers have iowa at #3.

 

[timinatoria]

The new AP and Coaches polls both still have 3 Big 10 teams in the top 8.

Alvarez and Osborne are more powerful than we thought!

 

[JusHappy2BeHere]

Today's updated SOS has the Big XII and SEC all over the top 20... I thought they had forgotten the B1G existed, but then Michigan State popped in at #24

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

 

[mikeiastat]

Uh....Ohio State plays a top 25 team next week. Michigan.

And if Iowa wins out they will have to beat MSU or possibly Michigan/OSU, so that will be a 2nd top 25 team. Probably a top 10 team.

Anything else you want to incorrectly say about the playoffs?

If Iowa wins the Big 10 championship, whoever they beat will not be considered a top ten win. MSU is a big maybe after another loss, but considering OSU's schedule, they hardly deserve to be a top team now with one loss. with two no frickin way. Michigan, that is laughable. No way they are a top ten team if they win out, likely barely a top ten team if they beat iowa in the championship. now who's making incorrect statements?

 

[JohnnyFive]

If you say so.

Careful man. You might get finger cramps typing out so many posts in one day after not posting much in the previous seven years. Pace yourself

 

[timinatoria]

If Iowa wins the Big 10 championship, whoever they beat will not be considered a top ten win. MSU is a big maybe after another loss, but considering OSU's schedule, they hardly deserve to be a top team now with one loss. with two no frickin way. Michigan, that is laughable. No way they are a top ten team if they win out, likely barely a top ten team if they beat iowa in the championship. now who's making incorrect statements?

You said "Ohio State lost it's only chance to beat a top 25 team too." That is incorrect as they play a Michigan team that is ranked 12th in all polls at the moment.

You also said "the committee is setting an ugly precedent if they allow Iowa in the playoff if they have one single win against a top 25 team and the rest of their wins being relatively close games.' If Iowa wins out they will play either MSU, OSU, or Michigan. All 3 of those will be ranked in the top 10 for the B1G championship game, so there is no way an undefeated Iowa only has 1 win against a top 25 team. So again, you are incorrect.

Not to mention 8-3 possibly 9-3 Pitt and 8-3 possibly 9-3 Wisconsin could both get back in the top 25 after next weekend if they both win.

The AP and Coaches polls both have Iowa #3, but you will think the committee is setting an ugly precedent by putting in a 13-0 Iowa team with 4 wins vs. teams that are either ranked or barely outside the rankings?

I know your ****** that Iowa's having a good season, but let's not throw all logic and reason out the window. And if you're going to rag on every Big 10 team, at least have your facts straight.

 

[JohnnyFive]

What are TCU's impressive wins?

What are Iowa's?

 

[timinatoria]

Careful man. You might get finger cramps typing out so many posts in one day after not posting much in the previous seven years. Pace yourself

I'm good, I've been exercising.

 

[timinatoria]

What are Iowa's?

Pitt(8-3), Wisconsin(8-3), Northwestern(9-2), and if they win the B1G Championship, that one.

If they lose to Nebraska or in the B1G title game this entire conversation is meaningless anyway.

TCU's best 3 wins are Texas Tech(6-5), WVU(6-4) and.....Texas/Minnesota(both 5-6)?