Those that want Rhoads fired (at the end of the season)...
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I take your point that not all college kids are natural achievers. Yet, ISU draws its recruits from the same places as everyone else. So that means either 1) every coach at every school faces this problem, or 2) there is a unique circumstance at ISU. Since we don't see every team in America demoralized, let's assume #2. This means either ISU recruits kids with bad attitudes (a a coaching problem), or there is something in the culture at ISU that leads to malaise (also a coaching problem).
Of course there is something wrong with our culture that leads to malaise. We lose every ****ing game. Sorry I'm being brash but the recruiting argument is so stupid. Of course it's near impossible to recruit good kids to ISU. Have you seen how bad our team is and has been for generations? Doesn't matter who the coach is, you cant recruit at a high level here consistently. Maybe Chizik could have, but I just throw up thinking that. You need to be a good developer as a coach. Rhoads hasn't proven to me he can do that. There has been a ton of attrition, but I just put that on Rhoads as well.
I think we'd be a very attractive job and candidates folks know would be interested... Facilities, fan base, seems like the administration is a big athletic supporter.
Folks, you are in a sparsely populated state with 2 power 5 conference football schools and in a region which produces few power 5 level recruits. The vast majority of your recruits are coming from distant locations. This puts you at a major disadvantage with most of the schools on your schedule who are able to recruit locally.
Add to that the insistence of playing Iowa every year which puts you in rare company playing 10 power 5 schools every year. Any outsider looking at ISU would immediately see you need to drop the Iowa game and schedule 3 wins in non-conference competition.
Not making excuses for the current coaches, especially Mangino - ISU looked very poorly coached vs Toledo but as it currently stands it is a tough job.
Add to that the insistence of playing Iowa every year which puts you in rare company playing 10 power 5 schools every year. Any outsider looking at ISU would immediately see you need to drop the Iowa game and schedule 3 wins in non-conference competition.
Not making excuses for the current coaches, especially Mangino - ISU looked very poorly coached vs Toledo but as it currently stands it is a tough job.
Chizik recruited some good players and had plenty of attrition as well. Look at his recruits and commitments and check it out. What you are saying is an oft repeated myth.
Bottom line is that DMac, Chizik and CPR have all gotten some good recruits. All have had their share of recruiting misses. At Iowa State, we have no margin for error. We just do not get that many great recruits. And a certain number of the average 2 stars just are not going to pan out. IMO, we have improved immensely from last year. Unfortunately losing really close games still makes it a loss. And that is what has happened in the last 2 games.
I'd love to do a Kickstarter for donations for Chip Kelley, but that's the wildest of pipe dreams here. How about a name that is up and coming, has head coaching AND Iowa State experience...? Tom Herman.
He was a bright offensive mind and that's why we brought him in. He did well enough here that he got Urban's attention and left for Ohio State. There he learned under one of the best minds in all of football, developed and recruited high quality talent, won a national title, and got his first head coaching job. I feel like he would be our best, realistic option.
He was a bright offensive mind and that's why we brought him in. He did well enough here that he got Urban's attention and left for Ohio State. There he learned under one of the best minds in all of football, developed and recruited high quality talent, won a national title, and got his first head coaching job. I feel like he would be our best, realistic option.
Except he is not realistic. Houston is arguably a better job than Iowa State despite being in the AAC. More importantly, the fanbase needs to realize that most good coaches in the Mountain West, AAC such as Troy Calhoun (Air Force), Justin Fuentes (Memphis), etc..are not leaving those gigs to go to Power 5 that has inherent disadvantages based upon location, recruiting, etc. Because they know that a 10 year contract at 1.5 million at those institutions is better than a 5 year contract at 1.8 million at Iowa State where the fanbase has turned on the last two coaches once they have consistently reached bowl games and then have a two year drop-off. This isn't just an Iowa State problem though....for instance Jim Grobe was the head coach at Wake Forest. Probably as difficult of a P5 job as Iowa State. He took the Demon Deacons to the freaking Orange Bowl only to get fired 4 years later. Hell look at Mangino and what he did at Kansas only to get ran out of Lawrence after 2-3 bad years. This is why people shouldn't get so worked up over Fred leaving or if Prohm decides to leave after 4-5 years. Evidence shows us that head coaches either leave for better jobs or the fanbase becomes disenfranchised or delusional and the coaches eventually get fired.
The place where Iowa State will need to look for a new head coach is in the MAC or the Sun Belt or potentially C-USA. Willie Fritz at Georgia Southern or P.J. Fleck at Western Michigan are the two names that make sense to me. I'm not a fan of Matt Campbell at Toledo because that program has a long history of success and quite candidly has a nice recruiting base due to the proximity to both Detroit, Indiana and being in the state of Ohio. The leftovers are quite good in Ohio.
We need to be realistic and smart with our next head football coach. I don't want a re-tread...I want an upcoming coach who can out-recruit other power 5 schools consistently. Top 40-50 class nationally. And if that upcoming coach decides to leave after 4-5 years then so be it. I don't want a lifer.....just like when I make a hiring decision at my business I don't want the person that is looking to just stay as an assistant. I want the person who is looking to better himself and move-on in 4-5 years. Then you just hope that this person (or coach) falls in love with the business (Iowa State University).
Don't get me wrong I enjoy beating Iowa, but it's in Iowa States best interest to stop scheduling teams like Iowa, Toledo, NIU, UNI, NDSU.
Just schedule 3 EASY wins like many other schools do(well some can schedule 4 even). Get some easy early wins, boost confidence, make this team look like a winner to attract recruits.
Just schedule 3 EASY wins like many other schools do(well some can schedule 4 even). Get some easy early wins, boost confidence, make this team look like a winner to attract recruits.
PJ Fleck is too high on too many other teams wish list for it to be reasonable for ISU. His name has been floating around for two years now, and we all know ISU isn't the top destination out there.
lol...We couldn't have afforded baseball without football. I can think of a couple other jobs around the country that are in the same Power 5 boat as ISU...Kansas, Colorado, with Indiana and Purdue being on the bubble.
Doc Holliday from Marshall. He has gotten it done at a small school and knows his offense. The question is, would he stray away from West Virginia and the east coast.
I want to see what Rod Carey does this year. He went 12-2 his first year, then 11-3 last year. It will be interesting to see if he keeps the wins up at 11 or drops down another one this year.
I like Leipold, but being in his first year at Buffalo, the buyout would probably cost too much even if he showed interest.
I want to see what Rod Carey does this year. He went 12-2 his first year, then 11-3 last year. It will be interesting to see if he keeps the wins up at 11 or drops down another one this year.
I like Leipold, but being in his first year at Buffalo, the buyout would probably cost too much even if he showed interest.
Agree, dropping the Iowa game wouldn't be a bad thing. Need to get another sure win. Yes, the job is a tough row to hoe, but there are alot of qualified young hungry guys out there who would love a head coaching gig. We may not get a name guy, but we can get someone good.
