List of potential replacements should Fred Hoiberg leave

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Admittedly, it was pulled out quotes without an indication if they were from one discussion or multiple, but to me, I took that Arizona sun article someone posted (not remembering which of 30 threads it was posted in so here, if you haven't seen it: http://arizonasports.com/41/1837890...ors-As-far-as-I-know-Im-the-coach-of-the-Suns)

as maybe just contract restructuring bluster from Jeff. I mean, the up front stuff is standard (no comment, but you know...if things happened) stuff that could indicate either way, but the part where he's kind of "well, you know, college coaches are really bumping up in salaries, and you know...you really get some time to make things happen there, it could be attractive" wink, nudge, wink...almost makes me think it's just bluster. Admittedly, that's my interpretation of what he said, but he mentioned both college salaries and length of contract as positives.

Again, that's like, just my opinion, man...but with how JP's done searches in the past, that's not how his candidates would handle themselves...and yes, I know people think this is all a done deal...but it's contractually NOT a done deal, and JP doesn't like his announcements blown ahead of time. I think he'd be in full lockdown mode like Fred is right now.

IDK, but that's the impression I got reading that.

I read it as he's pretty interested in Iowa State as long as ISU pays him around or more than what Hoiberg made. If later on we find out TJ was the guy all along and Hornacek didn't get contacted, I'd be a little puzzled.
 

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Personally I think Hornacek is more suited to the college game..he's more of a teacher of the game..just how I see him. And I completely disagree CW..ISU can afford to pay a new good coach $2.5 mil+ a year. We pretty much do now. And the TV revenue from football will continue to grow. We have a AD budget of nearly $70 million a year. Double from just 6-7 years ago. We can afford to spend $1 mil. More a year than u think.

I'm not saying that ISU can't afford it. I'm saying that I don't think Pollard will.
 

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I read it as he's pretty interested in Iowa State as long as ISU pays him around or more than what Hoiberg made. If later on we find out TJ was the guy all along and Hornacek didn't get contacted, I'd be a little puzzled.

What if you find out that Fred put a 100% endorsement on TJ being the perfect replacement for him? Would you still be puzzled?
 

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What if you find out that Fred put a 100% endorsement on TJ being the perfect replacement for him? Would you still be puzzled?

I'm sure Fred did. Doesn't mean we have to do what he says. He can't coach the team from Chicago can he?
 

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What if you find out that Fred put a 100% endorsement on TJ being the perfect replacement for him? Would you still be puzzled?
If Fred gives Otz a 100% endorsement, then you say, "Thanks for that, we will keep it in mind when we do our coaching search. Good luck in Chi."

You then call Hornacek and offer him a deal.
If he declines, you then call Brad Underwood and offer him a deal.
If he declines, you then come up with a contract for Otz.
He accepts and you play it off as if Otz was the one and only coach we were going after.
 

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You would rather have Pollard do the search on his own? You wouldn't want Pollard to heavily weight the opinion of the coach who put the team together? The coach who was well on his way to becoming the President of an NBA team? You don't becoming an NBA President without having an eye for basketball talent. Fred has forgotten more about what it takes to be a successful college basketball coach than Pollard has ever known. I don't want Pollard to blindly do what Fred says, but if I ever find out that Fred endorsed Coach A and Pollard said, no, I think Coach B would be better, so I'll go with him.

I seem to remember that several years ago Fred Hoiberg highly recommended a very young, inexperienced person to become the coach of Iowa State. Pollard didn't think Fred was right about that and thought the man he endorsed wasn't ready, so Pollard did his due dilagence and instead hired a hot up-and-coming coach from a mid-major program. It didn't work out to well for Pollard to not take Fred's advice that time.
 

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If Fred gives Otz a 100% endorsement, then you say, "Thanks for that, we will keep it in mind when we do our coaching search. Good luck in Chi."

You then call Hornacek and offer him a deal.
If he declines, you then call Brad Underwood and offer him a deal.
If he declines, you then come up with a contract for Otz.
He accepts and you play it off as if Otz was the one and only coach we were going after.

Personally, I think Hornacek and Underwood would be great coaches and would not be disappointed to see either of them at Iowa State. However, I would trust Freds judgement on basketball talent more than Pollards, to be honest?

Do you think Pollard is a better judge of basketball talent than Fred?

Its Pollard's *** if he makes the wrong hire, but if I were him, I'd take advantage of one last use of the basketball mind of Fred Hoiberg if it was available.
 

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How about current SMU assistant Tim Jankovich? Has a head coach at Illinois State and has been an assistant at Big 12 schools Kansas, K-State, Texas, Baylor and Okie State. He knows recruiting in the region, is a very good coach and knows Self's system well enough to be able to coach against it.
 

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I'm not saying that ISU can't afford it. I'm saying that I don't think Pollard will.

Probably true.

hasnt JP learned anything? He got completely handed Fred by Fred. But JP has this pattern of hiring coaches with little experience at this level and paying them rock bottom for the gig and hoping it's a great hire. I've said this for three decades and it applies more to fball but also To bball...you have to go get a top notch coach and pay them to make ISU a contender. It's something no AD here has ever done. Every other way has failed..sans Fred mostly. It's Iowa state...not KU or UNC or Alabama or Ohio st in fball. There's enough against ISU as it sits in...well...Iowa..you have to go get an established good coach and pay him if u want an exponentially better shot at winning.
 

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How about current SMU assistant Tim Jankovich? Has a head coach at Illinois State and has been an assistant at Big 12 schools Kansas, K-State, Texas, Baylor and Okie State. He knows recruiting in the region, is a very good coach and knows Self's system well enough to be able to coach against it.

At this point in time you could suggest Izzo and I would say go stuff yourself.
 

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Forgot about Jankovich! You are right, he's a damn good coach. But aren't him and Larry inseperable basically?


How about current SMU assistant Tim Jankovich? Has a head coach at Illinois State and has been an assistant at Big 12 schools Kansas, K-State, Texas, Baylor and Okie State. He knows recruiting in the region, is a very good coach and knows Self's system well enough to be able to coach against it.
 

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What if you find out that Fred put a 100% endorsement on TJ being the perfect replacement for him? Would you still be puzzled?

Head coaches always recommend their assistants for jobs. Some fail, some succeed. It means very little.
 

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You would rather have Pollard do the search on his own? You wouldn't want Pollard to heavily weight the opinion of the coach who put the team together? The coach who was well on his way to becoming the President of an NBA team? You don't becoming an NBA President without having an eye for basketball talent. Fred has forgotten more about what it takes to be a successful college basketball coach than Pollard has ever known. I don't want Pollard to blindly do what Fred says, but if I ever find out that Fred endorsed Coach A and Pollard said, no, I think Coach B would be better, so I'll go with him.

I seem to remember that several years ago Fred Hoiberg highly recommended a very young, inexperienced person to become the coach of Iowa State. Pollard didn't think Fred was right about that and thought the man he endorsed wasn't ready, so Pollard did his due dilagence and instead hired a hot up-and-coming coach from a mid-major program. It didn't work out to well for Pollard to not take Fred's advice that time.


Here thing....TJ is on staff!!!!!!! He's already here!!!!! He's not leaving!!!!! Go hire a coach with actual head coaching experience and retain TJ. Done. The new HC isn't going to kick off the one guy who has all the ties and relationships to the entire roster not to mention all the potential recruits. Happens all the time where a coach for previous staff is retained. Like TJ when Fred was hired. Right now TJ only know attribute is recruiting. How does JP know if he can recruit at the same level when TJ is the head coach? most not all but most players come play for a HC.
 

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Head coaches always recommend their assistants for jobs. Some fail, some succeed. It means very little.

So just say it. You think Jamie Pollard's judgement on who should coach next year's ISU basketball team is better than Fred Hoiberg's judgement.
 

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Personally, I think Hornacek and Underwood would be great coaches and would not be disappointed to see either of them at Iowa State. However, I would trust Freds judgement on basketball talent more than Pollards, to be honest?

Do you think Pollard is a better judge of basketball talent than Fred?

Its Pollard's *** if he makes the wrong hire, but if I were him, I'd take advantage of one last use of the basketball mind of Fred Hoiberg if it was available.
Of course Fred will recommend Otz.
He won't recommend Hornacek right now, because Hornacek has a job with the Suns.
However, if you asked Fred, what would be better for ISU right now:
A) Otz Head coach.
B) Jeff Hornacek Head coach, Otz Assistant coach and lead recruiter.

He would probably say Option B.
 

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Big 12 coaches...

Bill Self- HOF( Hall of Fame)
lon Kruger- HOF
Tubby Smith- potential HOF
Scott Drew
Shaka- great coach
Huggins- HOF
Ford- was HC at Umass prior
Webber- no comment
TJ Otz- Never been a HC

now which one of these puzzles you.

Travis Ford. How is he still the HC at OSU?