Cincinnati and Memphis to the Big 12?
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SEC has this figured out. SEC west runner up has played for the national championship countless times.
Agree completely. There's really no good way to split it up geographically to make Oklahoma and the power football schools in Texas go along with it. They see how lopsided the SEC and Big 10 divisions are. Maybe add the western schools and figure out east-west divisions to spread out the football powers. This should get interesting.
The Big 12 needs some kind of assurance that an open SOS or RPI formula will be used in determining selection before we add on a conf championship game just because this year's excuse to kiss B1G butt was 'conference title game'.
The record vs top 60 teams is about the most ridiculous and arbitrary thing I've ever seen. No different than the basketball committee focusing on top 180 team record. How about record vs overall quality of schedule and if your SOS rating is different than...every other one out there...explain how it got that way.
The record vs top 60 teams is about the most ridiculous and arbitrary thing I've ever seen. No different than the basketball committee focusing on top 180 team record. How about record vs overall quality of schedule and if your SOS rating is different than...every other one out there...explain how it got that way.
You do the conference championship for the money, not because it increases odds of getting into playoffs because it won't. The only things that increase your odds of being in a playoff is being a blue blood.
My hope:
1. BYU isn't a "pie taker" in terms of fan base, market, ratings, etc...whether they are full member or fb who knows. They have a ton of potential as a P5 program and have managed to be a major program without any of those advantages.
2. Cincy can't be the gigantic drag people make them out to be and the championship game would more than make up for them anyway. They solve more logistical problems than they create which can't be said about UCF/USF. They're a substantial new population market. They are competitive athletic dept overall right now unlike SDSU, Tulane, Memphis, UNLV...
I hate to say "I told you so" but we should have gone to 11 with Louisville being a partner for WVU toward that direction of the country. Then we add one or the other between BYU and Cincy now that we are perceived to need a title game. BYU adding more value, Cincy being a better logistical fit for existing membership.
Cincinnati would be a nice market. The metro area there is larger than anything in the Big 12 outside of Texas(Bigger than Kansas City, Indianaoplis and Miliwaukee to name a few). If Cincinnati became a power 5 school, I'm guessing their fanbase would probably grow and show more enthusiasm. Good for basketball as well.
Memphis? Ehhh, no so sure yet.
BYU and Cincinnati would be a great pair to add IMO. Would love for ISU to be in a "North" Division again. More wins. :spinny:
The Cincy market is very underrated, as is the one in Memphis (biggest city in TN). I would love to see Memphis join and maybe get a non-con tournament played there. Both great cities to visit.
If we add two east members, it bridges the gap to WV and it allows us logically to go to East/West divisions.
If we add two east members, it bridges the gap to WV and it allows us logically to go to East/West divisions.
If you view it like a game of RISK, there's a Pac enemy to our west at 12 with a lot of "potential" candidates in terms of growth and demographics, but Big 12 teams are the only ripe fruit still. I'm not sure if taking a BYU or another team in that direction helps or hurts that 'truce'. We know that Big 12 teams have turned away from Pac offers (1 didn't but several did), they've yet to turn away from Big Ten and SEC offers.
I think UConn is more attractive than either Cincinnati or Memphis, and they would come in a heartbeat. Take UConn and settle for Cincinnati for geographical reasons. No more TX schools (SMU/Rice/Houston). They already have plenty of clout in the AD meetings
Here are some maps I made that we can play with to invent pretend divisions:
Current Big 12:
Current Big 12 with Cincy & Memphis added:
You have my permission to copy these!
Current Big 12:
Current Big 12 with Cincy & Memphis added:
You have my permission to copy these!
You could have Northwest and Southeast divisions ... would not be too balanced, though ... I think.
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If say this happens, I dour it's a geographical split. Best guess would be an acc style split. Probably be something like this: group a, isu, ksu, okla, tex, tcu Memphis. Group b, wva, Ksu, ok state, baylor, tech, cinci. Nine game with one cross division rival played every year. So, in this case: isu vs wva, kan vs kstate, ou vs osu, tech vs tex, tcu vs Baylor and cinci vs Memphis.
Im sure u could flip flop some teams in there but something like this seems like a likely scenario. It help preserves rivalries while having two relatively equal divisions. A north south split is gonna cause a def haves vs have nots scenario which was one of the main causes of the original split that happened five years ago.
Im sure u could flip flop some teams in there but something like this seems like a likely scenario. It help preserves rivalries while having two relatively equal divisions. A north south split is gonna cause a def haves vs have nots scenario which was one of the main causes of the original split that happened five years ago.
You have KSU in there twice. If that is Kansas in Group B, that is an incredibly weak division. Group A with KSU, Texas, Oklahoma, TCU and Memphis along with ISU is even worse than a Round Robin IMO for the Cyclones to get wins. What a gauntlet.
Of course he did. Despite all the discussion, at the end of the day this is nothing more than poo flung at the wall that won't stick.
Wyoming is the least populated state in the US. There are more bears, wolves, and elk in that state than people. Pass.
It's very interesting that Big Ten football looks outdated, but they've got the PR thing down, and the Big 12 used to have a very popular conference championship game that really didn't affect a school like OU getting into BCS games, but has gone backwards in the logistics, in a time when the committee choosing these teams uses conference championships as a backdrop.
I'm apathetic to it in a way because as an ISU fan...well, this is a chance for me to use those letters and 'college football playoff' in the same sentence, and I'll leave it at that.
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I'm apathetic to it in a way because as an ISU fan...well, this is a chance for me to use those letters and 'college football playoff' in the same sentence, and I'll leave it at that.
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On Big12 expansion - I say bring it on. I don't care if it is Cincy and Memphis. Are they great adds? Probably not. But as an ISU fan, what do I care? The money might be a little diluted? Well, all this Big12 10-team-league largesse hasn't done us jack squat of good so far for the Clones. So $20M instead of $22M is not a big deal to me.
Playing an 8 game schedule again (assuming 5+3 like old Big12), playing two non-powerhouse teams more often, avoiding TX and OU more often, getting 4 non-con games. That means more wins. I think that 2-3 more wins per year (and an additional home game) might raise revenue more for ISU than being in a stud league and winning 3 games a year. We will still get strong teams to play, and (god forbid) we get into a conf champ game, we will get our shot at OU or TX or whoever.
And I know some will argue about the 8 game vs 9 game conf schedule and TV inventory. But 6 games per week times 8 weeks is 48; 5 per week times 9 weeks is 45. So it's actually MORE games for TV. Am I wrong about that?
I wouldn't add BYU just because wrong direction from WVU. But UCF, USF, Tulane, even Pitt (or anyone from the ACC if you could get them). No problem. Pick the best available east of the Mississipi and let's go.
Playing an 8 game schedule again (assuming 5+3 like old Big12), playing two non-powerhouse teams more often, avoiding TX and OU more often, getting 4 non-con games. That means more wins. I think that 2-3 more wins per year (and an additional home game) might raise revenue more for ISU than being in a stud league and winning 3 games a year. We will still get strong teams to play, and (god forbid) we get into a conf champ game, we will get our shot at OU or TX or whoever.
And I know some will argue about the 8 game vs 9 game conf schedule and TV inventory. But 6 games per week times 8 weeks is 48; 5 per week times 9 weeks is 45. So it's actually MORE games for TV. Am I wrong about that?
I wouldn't add BYU just because wrong direction from WVU. But UCF, USF, Tulane, even Pitt (or anyone from the ACC if you could get them). No problem. Pick the best available east of the Mississipi and let's go.
