This same point was made by sportstalk radio that to date McD has not proven a thing. They rated Doc Sadler as in the Top Five of Big 12 coaches since so many people are new or kids are now coaches. That was essentially shocking that after two years, we have been a wash, no improvement in the bottom line. Hard to believe that Doc is better thought of than McD by the astute 1620 group.
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This same point was made by sportstalk radio that to date McD has not proven a thing. They rated Doc Sadler as in the Top Five of Big 12 coaches since so many people are new or kids are now coaches. That was essentially shocking that after two years, we have been a wash, no improvement in the bottom line. Hard to believe that Doc is better thought of than McD by the astute 1620 group.
I am not as concerned with the rankings of coaches. A lot of people didn't think Bruce Pearl was a good coach and he has done pretty well. Some times, it isn't how good a coach you are, it is more the situation you walk into. McDermott came into a tough place with the exodus of players and it has taken him some time to rebuild. The Nebraska coach walked into a different situation and was able recruit and redshirt. I think McDermott will be fine and so will ISU basketball.
I wonder if that work on recruiting vists?
"Jimmy's new in town... Jimmy doesn't really know anyone"
"Jimmy would like to get to know you!"
What was McDermott's best finish in the MVC? I know UNI won the MVC tourney one year under his reign. His last season there they tanked down the stretch big time but made to the NCAA based on the 'strength' of the Valley.
He tied for being in the upper half of the conference in his first year, granted not with a stellar record, but he still got us there.
I think that is a big stretch. It may help us make inroads to Tyler CC, but outside of that, no recruit next year is going to know who these guys were or care that they went to ISU.
We were tied for 8th his first year.
Who didn't think Bruce Pearl was a good coach? He has made some kind of postseason every year he has been a coach with the exception of his first year at UW-Milwaukee. He's won a DII national championship and has 3 sweet 16's in 7 years as a D1 head coach.
Who were these people? I have to disagree with your comment. Bruce Pearl was considered a very good coach but he was "black-balled" from getting a DI gig for a long time due to some recruiting shenanigans he head while at Iowa as an assistant. I don't recall the specifics but I don't believe it was actually a violation rather he broke some "unwritten rules" in the coaching fraternity somehow as I recall. Maybe someone else knows the specifics more and can share.
In 7 years of coaching DI (5 of them at a mid major), McDermott has never won a conference championship and has never won an NCAA tourney game (0-3).
One reason I loved the Chizik hire is that, although he was not the head man, he was a key cog (DC) in two programs that were national championship / BCS bowl contenders every year.
Bruce Pearl taped a phone conversation with a recruit. The recruit told Pearl that Illinois had promised him a SUV and $10000 or something like that if he would come to Illinois and play Basketball. Pearl turned the tape into the NCAA. The subsequent investigation landed Illinois on probation and other sanctions. What this says to me is the "coaching fraternity" is dirty enough that you don't want the NCAA looking in. Don't squeal on them because it's better to cheat if you can get away with it
Thanks for jogging my brain on the details...I remember now as I read your post.
The bottom line is that Pearl was never considered to "not be a good coach"...he was just black-balled...for turning a cheater in of all things. Kind of like Jose Canseco now in baseball...you think he has a "snowball's chance in hell" of getting a job with a MLB team?
True, however when you consider how bad UNI had been for so long before that, it was a huge job well done for him to make it to the Tourney. And then he does it three years. I'm not even sure if they made it more then once before that.
Very good point. Guess who this guy is. He didn't win a conference championship until his 11th season as a head coach:
1975-76 Army 11-14
1976-77 Army 20-8
1977-78 Army 19-9
1978-79 Army 14-11
1979-80 Army 9-17
1980-81 Duke 17-13
1981-82 Duke 10-17
1982-83 Duke 11-17
1983-84 Duke 24-10
1984-85 Duke 23-8
1985-86 Duke 37-3
Ridiculous. He should have been fired from Duke after 2 seasons. That is completely unacceptable.
