And he was going to lose Brunner, Horner and Hansen before he left town. Alford left for the New Mexico job, he wasn't ran out of town.
The program right now after Frans 4th year is in better shape than when Alford left.
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And he was going to lose Brunner, Horner and Hansen before he left town. Alford left for the New Mexico job, he wasn't ran out of town.
The program right now after Frans 4th year is in better shape than when Alford left.
Ya I think he has done just fine since that time and he hasn't had Brunner, Horner or Hansen.
Wow, you're still not getting it. Are you really this dumb or trying to troll? This isn't about "successful" or "respect." This is about YOUR claim that ISU fans think they're a blue blood in basketball (which wasn't proven) and YOUR claim that Iowa fans don't call them a blue blood school (which would be synonymous with elite.) I provided examples of Hawk fans stating they're elite (when they're not) and now you're changing the goalposts to successful/respect, which is VASTLY different than elite or a blue blood.
Yet you're bragging about the B1G, which is a weak conference and will further be watered down due to the additions of Rutgers and Maryland. Even worse, Iowa will be in the West, which is a joke compared to the East. ISU would make a bowl most years if they played in the B1G. So Iowa making a better bowl is an accomplishment, however hardly puts you on an elite status like many of your brethren states. Using the term "January Bowl" is idiotic as the current measure for elite schools are BCS Bowls and Conference Titles. How does Iowa compare to elite schools in those measures?
Of course I am. It's a data point that Iowa's performance in the Big 10 is pathetic. Eleven schools are top 50 while Iowa is at 70. It shows there is a major disparity between Iowa and their peers with athletic performance and not an elite school.
No arguments here. I think most here would state Iowa is a successful program, however you're far from elite.
Yes and no. You're gaining respect from the rock-bottom of the Lick years, however Iowa is nowhere near their levels during the Alford/Dr. Tom/Ravling/Lute years. Gaining respect means you're still not elite or even successful. (Hint--Iowa has neither.)
Iowa is elite here, however you're a hypocrite bringing this into the conversation while slamming the Director's Cup and the other Olympic sports. In other parts of the country, people care about their track, volleyball, and swimming more than wrestling. Why pick and choose sports? At least if you left it to solely football and MBB, basically the money sports and minor leagues to popular pro leagues, you could get away with slamming Director's Cup.
Does this make you elite or a good money-making school? The Chicago Cubs are a high revenue team. How is their performance? How are the NY Knicks doing? What about the Oakland Raiders?
Translation--when Iowa is good in those programs, I'll jump on the bandwagon like my fellow fans did for Fry's football, MBB after the Lick years, wrestling, and only other successful programs while being an Iowa "fan".
Yet you're bragging about the B1G, which is a weak conference and will further be watered down due to the additions of Rutgers and Maryland. Even worse, Iowa will be in the West, which is a joke compared to the East. ISU would make a bowl most years if they played in the B1G. So Iowa making a better bowl is an accomplishment, however hardly puts you on an elite status like many of your brethren states. Using the term "January Bowl" is idiotic as the current measure for elite schools are BCS Bowls and Conference Titles. How does Iowa compare to elite schools in those measures?
Of course I am. It's a data point that Iowa's performance in the Big 10 is pathetic. Eleven schools are top 50 while Iowa is at 70. It shows there is a major disparity between Iowa and their peers with athletic performance and not an elite school.
No arguments here. I think most here would state Iowa is a successful program, however you're far from elite.
Yes and no. You're gaining respect from the rock-bottom of the Lick years, however Iowa is nowhere near their levels during the Alford/Dr. Tom/Ravling/Lute years. Gaining respect means you're still not elite or even successful. (Hint--Iowa has neither.)
Iowa is elite here, however you're a hypocrite bringing this into the conversation while slamming the Director's Cup and the other Olympic sports. In other parts of the country, people care about their track, volleyball, and swimming more than wrestling. Why pick and choose sports? At least if you left it to solely football and MBB, basically the money sports and minor leagues to popular pro leagues, you could get away with slamming Director's Cup.
Does this make you elite or a good money-making school? The Chicago Cubs are a high revenue team. How is their performance? How are the NY Knicks doing? What about the Oakland Raiders?
Translation--when Iowa is good in those programs, I'll jump on the bandwagon like my fellow fans did for Fry's football, MBB after the Lick years, wrestling, and only other successful programs while being an Iowa "fan".
It's funny you think ISU would make a bowl most years if they played in the B1G. ISU football is like Indiana football, except ISU doesn't have a competent offense.
The rest of your post was pretty "meh".
Translation:
"I am incapable of arguing with logic...I am only good at braggadocio."
His post was filled with Clone fan talking points that just get regurgitated over and over and over.
I have never seen a fan base care so much about teh Directors Cup.
And frankly, he loses all credibility when he says ISU would make a bowl game most years if they were in the B1G.
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Door swings both ways. Go back & read through your own posts if you doubt me.
Iowa made the 2006 Outback Bowl going 7-4. They had basically one good win on their schedule. And they played two ranked teams all year prior to the bowl game. I'm not saying ISU wouldn't love to have a season like that, they would. But don't preach to us how prestigious it is to play in January when you can do that with 7 wins and a crap schedule.
Indiana has all of ONE bowl appearance this century. And their last bowl win was back in the 80's. Try again. ISU has been more competitive in a historically (last 15-20 years) more competitive conference. Now, if you wanted to say Minnesota (minus their national success that is ancient history), I'd buy that.
Indiana has a competent offense now, and they did with Randel-El, but ISU has had much better teams on average since McCarney turned them around. I think that you're letting one year cloud your judgment.
7 wins on an 11 game schedule is a little different than a 12 game schedule as the extra game is guaranteed to be a home game against a cupcake for a huge majority of BCS conference teams.
And you still didn't answer my question about what B1G team has made a January bowl game with the original criteria you listed.
Also, a lot of people chalk most of the credit up to the Iowa fan base for the 2006 Outback Bowl berth. Michigan beat Iowa that year and they had identical records after the regular season, but somehow Iowa got the Outback Bowl. It helps to have a fan base with one of the best reputations for following their team in all of college football.
Minnesota football>ISU football in every aspect possible the last 20 years.
To be comparable you actually have to equal or better them in something....anything.
First off, I don't have to answer your question. 7 wins got you in. Now it's 8 (with 4 nonconference games and the usual slate of B1G lackies). My point is that you don't have to be that good to play on NYD and anyone with half a brain knows that those games have lost a lot of their luster.
How about head to head? Or bowl wins in the last 10 years? Or attendance? Bowl games since 2000 have Minnesota at 10 and ISU at 8. I'd say that is much more comparable than ISU/Indiana.
Section would rather have Fran, I mean who cares about wins and tourney appearances
You are smarter than this. Look at the program Alford inherited and then look at the state of the program when Fran came aboard.
