Bubu Thread

[Yellow Snow]

Roy Rieman.

End zone project on the line.

That's what i thought too.

 

[Tornado man]

My guess, and it is entirely a guess, is that Bubu admitted to ISU officials that he had sex with her when she was so drunk she couldn't give consent. That breaks the rules, no matter the fact that she later tried to manufacture evidence for the criminal case.

That would be my guess as well. Just a guess...

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

I wonder how fun it will be for Leath to be boo'd by the students Saturday?

is he the halftime act?

 

[Judoka]

That would be my guess as well. Just a guess...

Mine too. Which is a big part of why I am amazed Iowa State screwed this up so badly that they are the ones who come out lookingbad in this.

 

[CYlent Bob]

First, the AG's brief to the Supreme Court makes it clear that the case was not based solely on the alleged victim's testimony.

Second, judges and jurors rely on the testimony of witnesses of dubious credibility all the time. All the time. How many criminals have been put away based on the testimony of slimy, dishonest, fellow criminals?

My guess, and it is entirely a guess, is that Bubu admitted to ISU officials that he had sex with her when she was so drunk she couldn't give consent. That breaks the rules, no matter the fact that she later tried to manufacture evidence for the criminal case.

So prosecutors rely on the testimony of liars all the time? Why did the Story County DA. drop the charges?

 

[Yellow Snow]

We're back-ordered on tinfoil hats. What size do you need?

You do realize that tinfoil is no match for those who are out to get me.

 

[alarson]

First, the AG's brief to the Supreme Court makes it clear that the case was not based solely on the alleged victim's testimony.

Second, judges and jurors rely on the testimony of witnesses of dubious credibility all the time. All the time. How many criminals have been put away based on the testimony of slimy, dishonest, fellow criminals?

My guess, and it is entirely a guess, is that Bubu admitted to ISU officials that he had sex with her when she was so drunk she couldn't give consent. That breaks the rules, no matter the fact that she later tried to manufacture evidence for the criminal case.

They might use testimony of individuals with credibility problems sometimes, but i have a problem with that being the primary or sole source of testimony.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

certainly the district judge has access to ncaa transfer deadlines. he made his ruling knowing what ISU just clarified.

in my mind the only reason this blew up is because they gave him a scholarship yet didn't let him play. also, can JP or Leath cancel a scholarship once Fred as promised it to a player?

 

[LutherBlue]

So prosecutors rely on the testimony of liars all the time? Why did the Story County DA. drop the charges?

I've explained my theory earlier in the thread -- my guess is because the DA didn't have the benefit of Bubu's statements about what happened that night because he asserted his 5th Amendment rights. He doesn't have that right in the ISU proceedings.

 

[LutherBlue]

You do realize that tinfoil is no match for those who are out to get me.

Well played! I have my own tinfoil hat around here somewhere and I'm tipping it in your general direction!

 

[Nycclone]

Finally got through every post in this thread...

I have some questions that I think get to the heart of it...

1. Who was the accuser who appealed to Leath during the summer? Was it the alleged victim or maybe a donor?

2. Why did it take Leath so long to render a decision?

After reading through all of this, it is my humble opinion that somebody who Iowa State values has a problem with Bubu playing basketball at Iowa State. Maybe a big donor? The only reason i can fathom Leath sitting on his decision until Bubu can't transfer is that somebody told him to or they won't donate anymore. That is it... in my mind anyway.

That is the crux of the issue... who was the person that appealed to Leath to get Bubu booted a second time? Obviously Leath wasn't going to do it without an outside appeal to him directly. That precedent had been set when Bubu got reinstated the first time and Leath and Pollard didn't have a problem.

Somebody important to ISU (not necessarily AT ISU) doesn't want Bubu to play basketball... not at ISU... not anywhere. Who is it?

1) Office of Judiciary affairs and the complainant (which is identified in Bubu's brief by her initials if anyone cares)

2) They don't address it other then to say playing basketball is a priviledge and not a right. Essentially, they dismiss the issue and pretend its not a big deal because the point of him being at the university is to get his education and not play basketball.

As to whether its a donor exerting pressure, its kind of difficult to determine based on the information that has been released to the public. It's possible but there is no real proof.

 

[LutherBlue]

They might use testimony of individuals with credibility problems sometimes, but i have a problem with that being the primary or sole source of testimony.

I can imagine hundreds of scenarios where you would be just fine with it. The prisons are filled with such people.

 

[Luth4Cy]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

I wonder how fun it will be for Leath to be boo'd by the students Saturday?

I'll be interested to see if that actually happens. There's a lot of people not happy with the guy right now.

 

[Yellow Snow]

I've explained my theory earlier in the thread -- my guess is because the DA didn't have the benefit of Bubu's statements about what happened that night because he asserted his 5th Amendment rights. He doesn't have that right in the ISU proceedings.

He has every right to not say anything in the ISU proceedings. He could have not even showed up if he wanted to. They can't force him to be there like the actual law could via subpoena.

 

[gocubs2118]

I don't really care who's right and who's wrong. This isn't something Fred should have to be dealing with right now. I can't wait for this to end and never hear about it again.

 

[IAStubborn]

Um, wouldn't his attorney Boles know? ISU is hitting them right between the eyes. This is major part of contention in this matter, isn't it? Either Boles and Bubu are lying, or they're idiots.

"Attorneys for Palo contended that a delayed ruling from Leath came five days too late for the player to be eligible for a transfer to another program. Palo, a senior who would only be eligible for the remainder of this season, agreed.'If they would have moved promptly and said we don’t want you, I would have understood,'Palo told the Register. 'I would have gone on my way. With the timing of the decision, I didn’t have a choice.'"

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140122/SPORTS020604/301220131/?odyssey=nav|head

No it was past the deadline and would require an ncaa waiver. What school would give a scholly to a kid that has a 15% chance of having his waiver granted. Not sure what you read but supporting his waiver is not equal to being able to transfer. Boles statement was correct and still is. Ncaa may or may not of allowed it but this is not new info except we found out ISU would support a try at a waiver. He still got ****ed.

 

[CYlent Bob]

I've explained my theory earlier in the thread -- my guess is because the DA didn't have the benefit of Bubu's statements about what happened that night because he asserted his 5th Amendment rights. He doesn't have that right in the ISU proceedings.

You could be right. But that would be based on statements that are theoretical at this point. And wouldn't those alleged statements have been available to the ALJ last spring? ISU's position all along has been that President Leath only relied on evidence that had already been presented.

 

[IAStubborn]

This. It's crazy how many pro-bubu people can't grasp this.

There have been blunders on both sides of the fence during this, but you know what, had Bubu not committed any of those actions on that night that put his innocence or guilt into question, we wouldn't have this mess.

It all just needs to go away FFS.

That's like saying well if you hadn't been wearing that skimpy dress out drinking none of this would of happened. Yeah he was dumb but doesn't mean he deserves this.

 

[bawbie]

No it was past the deadline and would require an ncaa waiver. What school would give a scholly to a kid that has a 15% chance of having his waiver granted. Not sure what you read but supporting his waiver is not equal to being able to transfer. Boles statement was correct and still is. Ncaa may or may not of allowed it but this is not new info except we found out ISU would support a try at a waiver. He still got ****ed.

He was a fifth year player, he'd need a waiver regardless of when he transferred.

 

[CYlent Bob]

He was a fifth year player, he'd need a waiver regardless of when he transferred.

D2? D3?