Bubu Thread

[LutherBlue]

Exactly. I agree with you on this one. It surely was a tough situation for Bubu. Either you comply and answer questions or you get expelled. No jury involved at all.

That's kinda the whole issue I have with this situation.

Please understand I am not taking sides.

I just have issues understanding the motives of well educated individuals that are involved in this. I personally feel that there is NO WAY a credentialed guy like Leath has done this without some outside pressure. He didn't in the first place...

Why take 4 months to decide when you have had the same evidence on your desk the whole time?

Tinfoil again... lol

I also think the timing is curious and it's fair to question what took so long.

I don't like the system either. Not one bit. But it is being dictated to universities by the Department of Education. Look at the President's speech yesterday and Biden's speech on the same issue back in 2011 or so. They are making it a political issue -- we got your back, ladies!! So to the extent pressure was exerted, I think it was the same pressure being faced by university leadership at schools around the country and it comes from the jack-booted thugs in Washington.

And no, I am not kidding about that. Where's my hat???

 

[CycloneWanderer]

This is ridiculous and needs to just go away. Leath, and whoever has been advising him, has played the institution into a corner. At no point should a university president be overturning the ruling of a judge to harm someone. I can understand an appeal to the president for clemency (kinda like a pardon), but not to re-institute punishment. That just begs for a big stupid legal battle.

 

[JAB]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

I wonder how fun it will be for Leath to be boo'd by the students Saturday?

Boo for Bubu - count me in!

 

[CYlent Bob]

How Chief Justice CYlent Bob would reply to ISU's request for the ISC to hear this appeal:

"You need to have this resolved right now? Time is of the essence? Well.....we have an opening on April 20. That work for you?"

 

[JAB]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Just another idiotic release by the administration. They are looking dumber by the day now.

They really want us to believe that Bubu could have transferred? Really? Why would he? All summer long he was STILL on the the team. So why would he transfer when he's still on the team and on scholly?

He was booted off 5 days after school started. By then it was too late. Leath purposely sat on this thing for 3+ months. Had he come out right away and booted him in June, or whatever it was, then yes, that would have given Bubu time to transfer had he wished.

What garbage.

Absolutely, this is a pathetic attempt at "damage control" by the ISU Administrators and those powers that be outside ISU that pulling the strings.

 

[IAStubborn]

I've explained my theory earlier in the thread -- my guess is because the DA didn't have the benefit of Bubu's statements about what happened that night because he asserted his 5th Amendment rights. He doesn't have that right in the ISU proceedings.

Doesn't explain ALJ and distict judge ignoring. ALJ HEARD TESTIMONY NOBODY ELSE DID. So why would he side with Bubu if your theory is.correct?

 

[Nycclone]

She works in the Attorney General's office. Her job is to advise state institutions like ISU. What exactly does her involvement explain?

I'm buying stock in Reynolds Wrap.

After seeing the negative effects the rape case had at Iowa in 2007 that Stahle would advise Iowa State to rule against Bubu in these circumstances. Essentially, avoid the headache it could cause seeing the ramifications in Iowa City. I really have a hard time understanding why this is so difficult to comprehend.

In regards to Reynolds wrap, I really have no idea whether that is the greatest investment in the world. I think it'd be better to just make hats yourself and paint them in various shades of cardinal and gold and sell them at Iowa State basketball games. Maybe even have messages on them such as "Free Bubu" or something. I bet you'd make some nice side cash that way. ..

 

[scyclonekid]

At this point, I think I'm blaming this all on Matt Thomas and Obama.

now you're talking!!

 

[ThatllDoCy]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

If they are trying to save face this is not the way to do it. They've lost this round, and don't seem to want to admit it.

 

[CYlent Bob]

At this point, I think I'm blaming this all on Matt Thomas and Obama.

Matt Thomas was in high school when this all started. I'm going to blame G-McD for this fiasco.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

******* Messingham

 

[IAStubborn]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Mckays was after practice started. Start of classes doesn't matter. Start of practice does, if I understand correctly

You have it backwards. If you enroll at a school it matters once an academic year starts. Practice matters for football because it becomes start of season for that academic year.

 

[Die4Cy]

So who plays Bubu in the Lifetime movie of this fiasco?

 

[LutherBlue]

Doesn't explain ALJ and distict judge ignoring. ALJ HEARD TESTIMONY NOBODY ELSE DID. So why would he side with Bubu if your theory is.correct?

That would be a very fair question if the ALJ's decision turned on credibility. The ALJ was in the better position to evaluate the witnesses. But I don't know if that was the case, maybe the ALJ interpreted the student code provision (such as the meaning of "consent") in a way that didn't sit well with Leath and it had nothing to do with credibility. I don't know.

All I know is that judges get their rulings overturned on appeal routinely. Sometimes two smart, unbiased, people can look at the same evidence and reach different conclusions. That does not always mean that one or the other was in the bag for some donor or special interest group or is an incompetent fool as some here are accusing Leath. Sometimes people just disagree.

 

[LutherBlue]

So who plays Bubu in the Lifetime movie of this fiasco?

Don Cheadle

 

[JAB]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

If you are basing it off people's reaction here, sure. Funny thing is, this site isn't representative of our whole fan base as are all of message boards.

This whole Bubu mess just needs to end. It's getting tiresome, and I'm waiting for it to show up on day time tv on NBC after "Days of Our Lives"

Hey CyDude16, based on your replies on all the message boards, I believe that your views are not too popular with the Men's BB Team.

 

[CYlent Bob]

Seems to me that ISU doesn't have a problem with the court getting involved with the process. They had a problem with him siding with the student. If they don't want the court to have a say, don't invite them into the process.

 

[ketelmeister]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Other schools start later, there werer places to transfer to. Bubu said he would have transferred if he could have. Documents prove he could have. Someone is not telling the truth.

 

[Yellow Snow]

I also think the timing is curious and it's fair to question what took so long.

I don't like the system either. Not one bit. But it is being dictated to universities by the Department of Education. Look at the President's speech yesterday and Biden's speech on the same issue back in 2011 or so. They are making it a political issue -- we got your back, ladies!! So to the extent pressure was exerted, I think it was the same pressure being faced by university leadership at schools around the country and it comes from the jack-booted thugs in Washington.

And no, I am not kidding about that. Where's my hat???

When it gets really bad I wear one of those stainless spaghetti strainers.

Anyway... I have a really hard time believing it took 4 months to rule on an appeal to Leath. Seriously. Ask yourself why?

 

[Die4Cy]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

I am sure someone will be on the phone with the NCAA compliance office first thing tomorrow with regard to ISU's statement this evening. While there is plenty of nuance and arbitrary assessments on the NCAA's end over they years, I am pretty sure that if Palo had an ISU scholarship and was in class on the first day of school for fall semester he was unlikely to be granted a waiver to transfer to another school without penalty of sitting out--that's why the transfer rules are in place.