Texas Tech 2011 compared 2012

[ttuadvisor]

Again... you want to look at the stats from games when the Raggies played against some of the worst teams in the nation.

Again....I completely agree that looking solely in a vacuum at Tech's stats against their 3 non-conference opponents this year shows us almost nothing. What I've continually done is taken the stats out of a vacuum and compared them apples to apples verses Tech's team last year. By that there is no doubt that Tech has improved, when compared to this is exact same point last year.

You claim all of this experience on Tech's team winning against the Big XII schools and having the most returning starters etc.... Yet you don't want to look at how most of these Tech returning starters have faired in their most recent round of Big XII games. Why? Because they got their ***** handed to them on a weekly basis.

Sure, I want to look at how the returning starters have fared, but why would I limit it solely to 1 out of some of their 3 years starting? Especially when that 1 year was heavily influenced by injuries? That sounds like an incredible waste of time and would tell us little to nothing about Tech's performance on Saturday.

 

[ttuadvisor]

You want to say how you are so much improved defensively over last year, but fail to see that ISU's stats on defense have improved just as much over the first 3 games as compared to last year.

In what statistical category has Iowa State improved 94 spots from this exact same point last season? I'm interested?

Just to help you out, I looked it up for you. Iowa State has definitely improved across the board, but there isn't a significant category where they improved 94 spots. So your claim is factually wrong.

http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?org=311&year=2011&week=3
http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?org=311&year=2012&week=3

 

[Cyrocks]

In what statistical category has Iowa State improved 94 spots from this exact same point last season? I'm interested?

Just to help you out, I looked it up for you. Iowa State has definitely improved across the board, but there isn't a significant category where they improved 94 spots. So your claim is factually wrong.

2011 Iowa St. Football Ranking Summary
2012 Iowa St. Football Ranking Summary

Umm, powerhouses -- and when I say powerhouses I mean cream puffs -- like Nevada and Kansas hung 34 points on TT last year. Real teams like OSU and Baylor tagged 66 points against TT. Seriously, it's hard NOT to improve from that level of defensive suckiness.

 

[bots]

What I've continually done is taken the stats out of a vacuum and compared them apples to apples verses Tech's team last year. By that there is no doubt that Tech has improved, when compared to this is exact same point last year.

You do realize that Tech played a team with an actual pulse (Nevada) during last year's non-con, right? Using a great big three game sample, maybe you can see how this would bias the overall figures when comparing to this year??? By all means keep up the data mining and continue to conveniently ignore any evidence that supports your theories.

 

[klamath632]

Are you seriously trying to compare Tech's stats this year to Tech's overall stats last year?

How about we at least compare apples to apples here:

Last season after 3 non-conference games(two were the exact same opponents) Tech was ranked 95th in defense.

This season after 3 non-conference games(two were the exact same opponents) Tech is ranked 1st in defense.

Sweep it under the rug if you want, but I've already heard an interview where Coach Rhoads has made comments about Tech's defense being very improved. I also saw where your RB Woody said that Tech's defense is really fast and flies all over the field this year.

It's called knowing not to give your opponents bulletin-board material, numbnuts.

 

[Cycl1]

In what statistical category has Iowa State improved 94 spots from this exact same point last season? I'm interested?

Just to help you out, I looked it up for you. Iowa State has definitely improved across the board, but there isn't a significant category where they improved 94 spots. So your claim is factually wrong.

2011 Iowa St. Football Ranking Summary
2012 Iowa St. Football Ranking Summary

hard to do when there are only two catagories where it is even possible to improve by 94 places, turnover margin, and tackles for loss.

 

[ttuadvisor]

You do realize that Tech played a team with an actual pulse (Nevada) during last year's non-con, right? Using a great big three game sample, maybe you can see how this would bias the overall figures when comparing to this year??? By all means keep up the data mining and continue to conveniently ignore any evidence that supports your theories.

That Nevada team with "an actual pulse" let the "cupcake" Northwestern State drop 34 points and 585 yards on them two weeks ago. While Tech held that "cupcake" to 6 points and 84 yards this year. Not sure using Nevada is your best play here.

 

[benjay]

You and your ilk have worked very hard to prove to us that you're a better football team than we are. We wholeheartedly reject this notion, as we have not yet played the game.

 

[peteypie]

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[bots]

That Nevada team with "an actual pluse" let the "cupcake" Northwestern State drop 34 points and 585 yards on them two weeks ago. While Tech held that "cupcake" to 6 points and 84 yards this year. Not sure using Nevada is your best play here.

Not sure where to start here. First off, 2011 Nevada is not necessarily equal to 2012 Nevada. Second, NW St looks to be 2012 Nevada's worst performance of the year (nice work supporting the 'data mining' comment I made earlier). They've played three teams better than anyone Tech's faced, with their only loss coming by 1 point.

Bottom line, 2011 Nevada was materially better than anyone Tech's faced this year. Including them in a three game sample biases the statistical averages. Shouldn't take a statistician to understand that.

 

[Cyrocks]

That Nevada team with "an actual pluse" let the "cupcake" Northwestern State drop 34 points and 585 yards on them two weeks ago. While Tech held that "cupcake" to 6 points and 84 yards this year. Not sure using Nevada is your best play here.

TT didn't play Nevada this year. TT played them last. Using last year's stats. Does that make sense, or do I have to get my Big Chief tablet and crayons out for you and draw a few pictures for you?

 

[bots]

TT didn't play Nevada this year. TT played them last. Using last year's stats. Does that make sense, or do I have to get my Big Chief tablet and crayons out for you and draw a few pictures for you?

Very nicely put. Knew I shouldn't have used terms like "sample bias" and "statistical average"... gotta know your audience.:twitcy:

 

[ttuadvisor]

You and your ilk have worked very hard to prove to us that you're a better football team than we are. We wholeheartedly reject this notion, as we have not yet played the game.

Actually, all I'm doing is providing you with the facts and allowing you to make your own judgement. I haven't tried to prove Tech is a better football team than ISU, I've just shown some facts that support my opinion that Tech is better than they were at this time last year. It will be determined on the field who is the better football team this year.

 

[ttuadvisor]

Not sure where to start here. First off, 2011 Nevada is not necessarily equal to 2012 Nevada. Second, NW St looks to be 2012 Nevada's worst performance of the year (nice work supporting the 'data mining' comment I made earlier). They've played three teams better than anyone Tech's faced, with their only loss coming by 1 point.

Bottom line, 2011 Nevada was materially better than anyone Tech's faced this year. Including them in a three game sample biases the statistical averages. Shouldn't take a statistician to understand that.

You can include Nevada in your sample or not include them, it doesn't really matter. The end result would still show Tech's defense is significantly improved over this time last season. Just look at the New Mexico and Texas State game yardage allowed totals.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

That Nevada team with "an actual pulse" let the "cupcake" Northwestern State drop 34 points and 585 yards on them two weeks ago. While Tech held that "cupcake" to 6 points and 84 yards this year. Not sure using Nevada is your best play here.

Word of advice... If anyone outside of the dustbowl they call Lubbock actually bought into Tech's "on paper" improvement you wouldn't need to sell it this hard. That includes yourself. Stop for a second and think this through.... You are arguing that Tech has shown a dramatic improvement on the defensive side of the ball when they have yet to play a team that is ranked higher then #99 in the nation. Be honest with yourself here... Tech has played a terrible FCS team, a terrible WAC team that is in their first season moving up from FCS, and a New Mexico team that has won 5 games in 4 years. It's obvious that even you don't buy into this Tech defensive improvement because quiet confidence is the sign of someone that truly believes what they are saying and you certainly won't shut up about it.

 

[bots]

You can include Nevada in your sample or not include them, it doesn't really matter. The end result would still show Tech's defense is significantly improved over this time last season. Just look at the New Mexico and Texas State game yardage allowed totals.

I have no idea why I took the time to research this, but here goes.

I agree that their defensive performance against NM was better than last year. It is worth noting that part of the yardage improvement is because they faced around 2/3 as many plays as last year.

Here are the figures against TX St, which show minimal improvement at best:
TT Def 2011 vs TXST: 71 plays 331 yds (4.66 avg)
TT Def 2012 vs TXST: 61 plays 270 yds (4.43 avg)

And comparing 2012 NWSt against 2011 Nevada is stupid and a waste of time.

In summary the TXST performances are similar, NWSt vs Nevada is irrelevant, and NM was improved. Not sure that yields much evidence of drastic improvement. It may weakly suggest improvement, but there are other variables (game situations, opponent personnel changes, etc) that can impact these figures as well. It's entirely possible they're better this year, but I think several more games are needed as evidence to really support that claims.

 

[ttuadvisor]

but I think several more games are needed as evidence to really support that claims.

I think every Red Raider fan would completely agree with that. In fact I think several more games are needed to support a lot of claims made around college football in week 4.

 

[Cycl1]

I think every Red Raider fan would completely agree with that. In fact I think several more games are needed to support a lot of claims made around college football in week 4.

I claim that if i find a bar showing the game, i will be drinking beer.

edit: or whiskey.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I think every Red Raider fan would completely agree with that. In fact I think several more games are needed to support a lot of claims made around college football in week 4.

I am calling BS on that. We have several on this site claiming Tech will drop over 500 yards and score a ton of points on ISU this weekend. This Tech defense is also going to shut down the ISU offense allegedly. How often do you see a defense that ranked 120th in rush defense, 113th in pass efficency defense, 114th in total defense, and 117th in scoring defense transformed into a solid defense the following year? The simple answer is you don't see that happen.