Chinese Hacker Spies

[alaskaguy]

Chinese state-sponsored cyber espionage is on the rise. Rolls Royce and Royal Dutch Shell are among hundreds of companies that have reportedly been breached by state-sponsored Chinese hackers. Unlike most of the data breaches in the news, these hackers aren't after customer or employee data: They are stealing companies’ intellectual property.

Link:
Secrets of Shell and Rolls-Royce come under attack from China’s spies - Times Online

 

[Cyclonepride]

Anyone who favors socialized medicine, or socialized anything should take note. China's system, like the former Soviet Union, has a real problem coming up with their own technologies and innovation. The most effective way to make up for this natural failing of their economic system is to steal what they cannot produce themselves.

 

[TykeClone]

Anyone who favors socialized medicine, or socialized anything should take note. China's system, like the former Soviet Union, has a real problem coming up with their own technologies and innovation. The most effective way to make up for this natural failing of their economic system is to steal what they cannot produce themselves.

Why would they steal it when we are falling over ourselves trying to give them the technology when they manufacture stuff.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Why would they steal it when we are falling over ourselves trying to give them the technology when they manufacture stuff.

True, there seems to be undue Chinese influence that we have allowed to happen, and we do give them way more technical information than we should. However, they do need to steal anything that we won't give over freely.

 

[alaskaguy]

Do American corporations hack/steal/spy on one another?

 

[iceclone]

This may be only marginally relevant to the original post, but it is relevant the rest of the comments. My observation has been that Chinese culture just doesn’t have the same view of intellectual property as we do in the West. I was struck by the fact that when walking down streets in Shanghai, merchants were openly advertising their wares as being bootlegged and knock-offs. (These were actual respectable businesses with large storefronts, not just some guy on the street.) This was clearly a selling point to be put in print, not something to be ashamed of or to hide. On a larger scale, they actually construct the factories producing the knockoff right next to the factories producing the original. It’s not an underground activity; it is totally in the open.

I would not attribute this to socialism or capitalism. The Chinese economy is now probably more capitalist than socialist, but more than anything, it is Chinese. Western ideas may have some influence on how things are packaged, but for the most part, Chinese government is just a continuation of millennia of tradition.

 

[bos]

This may be only marginally relevant to the original post, but it is relevant the rest of the comments. My observation has been that Chinese culture just doesn’t have the same view of intellectual property as we do in the West. I was struck by the fact that when walking down streets in Shanghai, merchants were openly advertising their wares as being bootlegged and knock-offs. (These were actual respectable businesses with large storefronts, not just some guy on the street.) This was clearly a selling point to be put in print, not something to be ashamed of or to hide. On a larger scale, they actually construct the factories producing the knockoff right next to the factories producing the original. It’s not an underground activity; it is totally in the open.

I would not attribute this to socialism or capitalism. The Chinese economy is now probably more capitalist than socialist, but more than anything, it is Chinese. Western ideas may have some influence on how things are packaged, but for the most part, Chinese government is just a continuation of millennia of tradition.

Do you think the Chinese culture is a more "Us/We" and the American culture is more "I/Me" I feel that way.

 

[alaskaguy]

On a somewhat related note......

Microsoft is shifting more of its staffing for "research engineering" to China. Currently they have approximately 3,000 research engineers that are in China and are planning on employing 33 percent more engineers in China by the end of the fiscal year to boost research and development.

Link:
Bloomberg.com: Asia

 

[4VR4CY]

I will be in China in late April/early May for school (MBA). We are visiting numerous businesses. I can't wait to look into this more.

 

[iceclone]

I will be in China in late April/early May for school (MBA). We are visiting numerous businesses. I can't wait to look into this more.

Where will you be visiting?

 

[4VR4CY]

Where will you be visiting?

Part of country or companies?

tentative schedule -

APRIL 19 Sat Des Moines: Departure for Beijing (12 Noon)
20 Sun Beijing: Arrival in Beijing (3:00 PM)_

North China: Cultural, historical, and political context: Beijing
Beijing is China’s capital city and political center, with a rich history

21 Mon Tienanmen Square, Forbidden City, Tientan (Temple of Heaven)
22 Tues Great Wall @ Badaling, Ming Tombs à bus to Tianjin

North China: Industrial and Logistics Center: Tianjin
Tianjin is China’s third largest city and a major industrial center in the lower northeast

23 Wed Tour Economic Dev Zone, Port Authority, John Deere, Motorola
24 Thurs Wal-Mart, Carrefour; Pair-off with Hebei University of Technology MBA students
25 Fri Departure for Shanghai à (9:30 AM flight)

East Central China: Commercial and Financial Center: Shanghai
Shanghai is the heart of China’s commercial and financial sectors. It sits at the mouth of the Yangtze River and anchors a vast interior region of medium and light industries.

26 Sat Shanghai: AM: BBDO Ad agency; PM: City Tour
27 Sun Shanghai: AM: Norvatis; PM: Free Time
28 Mon Shanghai: AM: American Chamber of Commerce; PM: Departure for Shenzhen (12:00 Noon flight)

South China: Light Industry Center: Shenzhen and Hong Kong
The Pearl River Delta, at the southern tip of China, is the light industry capital of China. The majority of manufactured consumer goods exported to Europe and the US comes from this region. Shenzhen and Hong Kong are twin cities.

29 Tues Shenzhen: company visit – Midea, China’s largest retail chain of consumer electronic goods
30 Wed Shenzhen: AM: Company visit; PM Departure for Hong Kong
May 1 Thurs Hong Kong: AM: Kwai-Chung Container Port;
2 Fri Hong Kong: Deloitte Touche Tomatsu or Accenture
3 Sat Hong Kong: Departure for USA (12:45 PM flight)
Arrival in Des Moines (6:00 PM)

 

[bos]

I want lots of pictures! I will probably never get the chance to do something like this so I will live through you!

 

[4VR4CY]

I want lots of pictures! I will probably never get the chance to do something like this so I will live through you!

I feel that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me as well. Believe me, I do not take it for granted at all!

I need to start a list of what to take.... Camera - check

But, I have never been on a flight that long (I haven't even looked to see how long it will be). So, I have no idea what to expect. I am a little claustrophobic, so I don't know if I should just drug myself the entire way (small seats, packed in) or if it will be comfortable. Anyone know?

 

[bos]

I feel that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me as well. Believe me, I do not take it for granted at all!

I need to start a list of what to take.... Camera - check

But, I have never been on a flight that long (I haven't even looked to see how long it will be). So, I have no idea what to expect. I am a little claustrophobic, so I don't know if I should just drug myself the entire way (small seats, packed in) or if it will be comfortable. Anyone know?

Buy an mp3/video player and load it up with episodes of Heroes or other tv shows and movies. Get up and walk around the cabin frequently. Hopefully they will put you close to someone that is interesting to talk to as well. Basically anything to take your mind off the flight.

 

[iceclone]

I feel that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me as well. Believe me, I do not take it for granted at all!

I need to start a list of what to take.... Camera - check

But, I have never been on a flight that long (I haven't even looked to see how long it will be). So, I have no idea what to expect. I am a little claustrophobic, so I don't know if I should just drug myself the entire way (small seats, packed in) or if it will be comfortable. Anyone know?

The flight time depends on where in the US you fly out of, but in any scenerio it is LONG. Since you'll be on a large plane, it is a little less claustrophobic than for most domestic flights (higher ceiling). How much space you have in front of you depends on the airline, and how much you are paying for the ticket

 

[jbhtexas]

This may be only marginally relevant to the original post, but it is relevant the rest of the comments. My observation has been that Chinese culture just doesn’t have the same view of intellectual property as we do in the West.

The Chinese kill our pets, poison our kids with lead, steal our technology, and the West just continues to pour money and capital into China...

It's not suprising to me that the Chinese have no appreciation for intellectual property. In the West, our livelihood and our means of support (in the big picture) comes from our innovation and creative development. Innovation fuels new companies, which spwan jobs, etc. In "old" communist China, the government provided the means of support. In the "new" communist China, the livelihood and means of support is generated by "imported" Western technology.

This situation will not change until China is actually innovating something, and experiencing the cost of innovating, and the losses associated with having their innovations stolen. Why should China care if Western technology is stolen and pirated? It doesn't cost them anything or hurt them in anyway. China knows that the West is so desparate for access to the vast Chinese consumer market that the West will keep chasing the carrot and pumping in technology.

 

[iceclone]

Buy an mp3/video player and load it up with episodes of Heroes or other tv shows and movies. Get up and walk around the cabin frequently. Hopefully they will put you close to someone that is interesting to talk to as well. Basically anything to take your mind off the flight.

Good advice. You can also check out the entertainment schedule for your airline beforehand, and depending on the plane, you may have your own tv in the seat back in front of you (very likely). I usually find that out of 10 or so movies, there are only a couple that I find even mildly interesting :skeptical:

 

[iceclone]

The Chinese kill our pets, poison our kids with lead, steal our technology, and the West just continues to pour money and capital into China...

It's not suprising to me that the Chinese have no appreciation for intellectual property. In the West, our livelihood and our means of support (in the big picture) comes from our innovation and creative development. Innovation fuels new companies, which spwan jobs, etc. In "old" communist China, the government provided the means of support. In the "new" communist China, the livelihood and means of support is generated by "imported" Western technology.

This situation will not change until China is actually innovating something, and experiencing the cost of innovating, and the losses associated with having their innovations stolen. Why should China care if Western technology is stolen and pirated? It doesn't cost them anything or hurt them in anyway. China knows that the West is so desparate for access to the vast Chinese consumer market that the West will keep chasing the carrot and pumping in technology.

Talk to most Chinese people, and visit any Chinese museum, and you'll 'learn' that the Chinese invented everything :wink: The cultural issues I was referring to go back way further than communism.

 

[iceclone]

Part of country or companies?

tentative schedule -

APRIL 19 Sat Des Moines: Departure for Beijing (12 Noon)
20 Sun Beijing: Arrival in Beijing (3:00 PM)_

North China: Cultural, historical, and political context: Beijing
Beijing is China’s capital city and political center, with a rich history

21 Mon Tienanmen Square, Forbidden City, Tientan (Temple of Heaven)
22 Tues Great Wall @ Badaling, Ming Tombs à bus to Tianjin

North China: Industrial and Logistics Center: Tianjin
Tianjin is China’s third largest city and a major industrial center in the lower northeast

23 Wed Tour Economic Dev Zone, Port Authority, John Deere, Motorola
24 Thurs Wal-Mart, Carrefour; Pair-off with Hebei University of Technology MBA students
25 Fri Departure for Shanghai à (9:30 AM flight)

East Central China: Commercial and Financial Center: Shanghai
Shanghai is the heart of China’s commercial and financial sectors. It sits at the mouth of the Yangtze River and anchors a vast interior region of medium and light industries.

26 Sat Shanghai: AM: BBDO Ad agency; PM: City Tour
27 Sun Shanghai: AM: Norvatis; PM: Free Time
28 Mon Shanghai: AM: American Chamber of Commerce; PM: Departure for Shenzhen (12:00 Noon flight)

South China: Light Industry Center: Shenzhen and Hong Kong
The Pearl River Delta, at the southern tip of China, is the light industry capital of China. The majority of manufactured consumer goods exported to Europe and the US comes from this region. Shenzhen and Hong Kong are twin cities.

29 Tues Shenzhen: company visit – Midea, China’s largest retail chain of consumer electronic goods
30 Wed Shenzhen: AM: Company visit; PM Departure for Hong Kong
May 1 Thurs Hong Kong: AM: Kwai-Chung Container Port;
2 Fri Hong Kong: Deloitte Touche Tomatsu or Accenture
3 Sat Hong Kong: Departure for USA (12:45 PM flight)
Arrival in Des Moines (6:00 PM)

This is great schedule and you will see a lot of different parts of China. Importantly it ends in Guangdong province, which has the best food. Always save the best for last :yes:

 

[4VR4CY]

Anyone have a link to an average commerical plane that flies over seas? I just e-mailed and they are still getting bids from airlines for our trip, so they don't know exactly what/who we will be flying to/from China.

Anyone have a portable DVD player that they want to loan me for 2 weeks during the trip?