DJ Marshall
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I can't read the article, so I'll have to trust you on this. One thing to keep in mind is that this was written by a KU site, and it may include some journalistic bias. The fact that he didn't commit to KU during his visit is a positive sign that we may still have a chance.
I guess I can't really fault KU for going after him, after all, the name of the game is to get the best kids out there, right? The issue is we are dealing with 18 yr old kids who change their mind on things everytime they turn around. I would rather have guys that buy into Chizik's plan and sell out to him vs someone who goes because they offered first. If he wants to go to KU, so be it. We'll beat them and then he'll realize he chose the wrong team.
The problem is that if Kansas kept contacting the kid after he verballed to ISU, it shows that they run a low class program. Do you guys remember when Bruce Webber would not shake Kelvin Sampson's had after a game last year?? One of the reason why Kelvin Sampson is not respected is because that is something he does. Eric Gordon was committed to play at Illinois, and Sampson kept talking to Eric. Sampson initiated the conversations of which is an unwritten rule among coaches and someone who has committed to a school other than your own. If Marshall did the contacting, then obviously he was committed to the program, but if Mangino and KU were the ones initiating the conversations, then the type of program KU is running will start to look bad.
On the BCS show last light they said their best win was against KSt back when they were ranked. How did they end up? I really hate Virginia Tech, but since the payouts are the same either way, I hope Virginia Tech beats the **** outta them.
Did he see the facilities at KU? Ive never been, but have heard they are far away worse then ISU's.
Did he see the facilities at KU? Ive never been, but have heard they are far away worse then ISU's.
Gene Chizik has said he will continue to recruit kids up until signing day regardless of his commitments. It doesn't show you run a low class program, it shows a commitment to winning and I have no problem with it. Doesn't anybody remember what happened last year with Osemele?
U mean that the report may be biased for KU....wow....
Yeah i agree.....if he says he's opening up his recruitment, then i will agree he's gone...but he's gotta see the chances of playing early and the direction of the program....and sorry, when you mention the name Chizik to texas athletes, thats a lot more recognized with awesome defenses then Mangino....Now had this been the Nathans hot dog eating contest and you mentioned Mangino, his credibility would be much greater!!!!
Chiz and Jay gettin on a plane to go sweet talk DJ - lets watch the tracker....
Anything come out of LJ';s visit this weekend, i still want to hear that Chiz made the trip 6 miles north to talk with big Joe Marshall......i hope he did!!!! Get those two guys and that would be a great trip....
Regarding contacting athletes after they committ....i guess if that school has been working with them the whole time, i wouldnt want to just give up either...however, if they began contacting them after he verballed well thats different.....i.e. us and Cromartie, we had been discussing a visit with him for some time, and then he decided he wanted to come watch a game....that would be a huge coup for Chiz if he could steal him away from Wisconsin....might not happen though.....Hard to argue with that party town and a teen ager!!!!!
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I am not about backing Kelvin "Cheater" Sampson but you are dead wrong on this story. Sampson didn't contact Gordon, Gordon contacted Sampson when he got the job at Indiana. Gordan is from Indianapolis and he wasn't going to choose Indinana when he saw the writing on the wall w/ Davis. He knew Davis was getting the axe at the end of the year and had no clue who they were going to hire. So he committs to Illinois. Indiana hires Sampson and he/his family contact Sampson about going there. Nothing wrong w/ that. Weber is just bent out of shape b/c he has failed to recruit top talent since Self's players left and he took them to the NC title game.
I don't doubt that is the way it went down, but the way everything was explained on ESPN.com last year was that Sampson was the one following Gordon around everywhere at AAU events and he was the one who started talking to Gordon. I guess with all of what Sampson has done lately, its hard to imagine him actually doing something by the books for once.
I just hope that DJ sticks to being a 'Clone. I understand the fluidity of the moment and recruiting, but I sure hope that KU wasn't the one doing the contacting. That could lead to some ugliness within the conference.
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I would bet all me Credits that Sampson probably made a few phone calls also. :yes:
Wouldnt be the first time....i would second that, in my opinion, the main reason he took the indiana job was to get away from all the violations that he knew had happened at Oky.....IMO no doubt this guy comes off as a dirty coach, don't care about the ethics of his profession and simply cares about himself and his ego......
as you might have guessed - not a Sampson fan, thought the way he abandoned Oky was disrespectful and cowardly!!!!!
Continuing to see how a kid is feeling and what he is thinking is one thing, but to continue to actively recruit a kid and talk him into setting up a visit when the kid has let it be known he has closed his recruiting is another. Like I said, if the kid voluntarily re-opens recruiting or begins to contact the coach of changing his mine thats another story. It is an unwritten rule among coaches. You get the term "low class" program from other coaches bad mouthing you because you crossed the professional line. I know recruiting is cut throat, but at the same time you need to conduct yourself with professionalism and respect for your peers. I am in no way saying Chizik does or does not do this, the same with Mangino, but just the facts right now aren't clear for me and that is where things get fuzzy.
I agree with you, but how is DJ's soft verbal letting it known that he has closed his recruiting? I take a soft verbal as "I like this school a lot, and will sign with them if nothing better comes along".
For those that are not aware, Mangino was an assistant on Bill Snyder's KSU staff for 8 seasons. Anyone familiar with KSU's recruiting tactics under Snyder, it should come as no surprise that they are recruiting athletes that have committed to ISU.
Except he was listed as a SOLID verbal until he made a surprise trip to KU. The fact that he decided to take an additional trip made Rivals change his status to a SOFT verbal to us.
