Whitney Williams transferring

[Cyclonestate78]

The statistics junkie in me is trying to resist the urge to refute that number...

Just saying... I don't think I have ever heard a player talk smack about BF. He may be tough on the players at times but I feel like he only demands from the players what they should be demanding from themselves. He gets the best out of them and by performance standards he may even get them at times to play way above the level of their individual talent.

 

[mred]

Just saying... I don't think I have ever heard a player talk smack about BF. He may be tough on the players at times but I feel like he only demands from the players what they should be demanding from themselves. He gets the best out of them and by performance standards he may even get them at times to play way above the level of their individual talent.

I'm just saying 99.9% means only 1 in 1000 don't enjoy playing for him.

 

[StClone]

Truly, best of luck in your future endeavors Whitney.




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Whatever the cause and reasoning for players to accept a schollie then lose faith in their ability, coach or for whatever reason transfer, it must be in the end the choice of that player.

I really do believe there has been a detectable shift in what scholarship players can handle or expect as well as kids in general. This is not ad hominem as there are kids that do want to be pushed and stand up to all that goes with it. Compare WW with what Alison went through.

I see it in my business experience and general experience. Seems, kids today can not help but more easily opt out and seek change when feeling reality's bite.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I'm just saying 99.9% means only 1 in 1000 don't enjoy playing for him.

That could be true. :biggrin:

 

[VeloClone]

Whatever the cause and reasoning for players to accept a schollie then lose faith in their ability, coach or for whatever reason transfer, it must be in the end the choice of that player.

I really do believe there has been a detectable shift in what scholarship players can handle or expect as well as kids in general. This is not ad hominem as there are kids that do want to be pushed and stand up to all that goes with it. Compare WW with what Alison went through.

I see it in my business experience and general experience. Seems, kids today can not help but more easily opt out and seek change when feeling reality's bite.

There are so many more opportunities than there once were. When I was in high school: Don't like the coach? Suck it up or don't play. Now: Go coach shopping through open enrollment.

Kids have every opportunity to go a different way rather than working through adversity.

I am not talking about WW here, just kids in general. Maybe a transfer is what is best for Whitney. I am talking about the trend.

I know, I know, society has been saying "society is doomed, just look at the kids today" since the beginning of society.

 

[jbhtexas]

He does more with less talent than any other Womens basketball coach in the country, IMO. He is able to do that because of discipline.

I've seen this sentiment a couple of times in this thread and in other threads. Why is it that BF seems to be saddled with "less talent"? Why should it be harder to get talent to Ames than to Waco or Lincoln?

 

[isuno1fan]

Bill is a very good coach. He gets the most out of the talent he has. What he has not proven to be is a good recruiter IMO. With our support and success he should be able to bring in a higher caliber athlete. I'm not saying hoards of them, but we should be able to get 2 or 3 that are game changers on a given team. He has struggled to do that. We will see that all too clearly in the guard positions next year IMO.

 

[VeloClone]

I've seen this sentiment a couple of times in this thread and in other threads. Why is it that BF seems to be saddled with "less talent"? Why should it be harder to get talent to Ames than to Waco or Lincoln?

I don't think that he has less talent than everyone year in and year out. I do think that he is more selective about taking players who are a good fit. I don't think you will find prima donnas on his team very often. Sometimes that selectiveness results in less talent but can lead to a better team. Does anyone see Andrea Riley on a BF team? I don't know about Riley when she was a freshman, but probably not the Andrea Riley that ended up playing this last season at OSU.

I think what really makes this statement go, however, when he pulls a rabbit out of his hat during a year that is supposed to be down. (See 2009-10)

 

[Tre4ISU]

I've seen this sentiment a couple of times in this thread and in other threads. Why is it that BF seems to be saddled with "less talent"? Why should it be harder to get talent to Ames than to Waco or Lincoln?

I don't think it should but physically, we are usually at a disadvantage against better teams. It all comes down to the classifying talent.

 

[clonz]

There are so many more opportunities than there once were. When I was in high school: Don't like the coach? Suck it up or don't play. Now: Go coach shopping through open enrollment.

Kids have every opportunity to go a different way rather than working through adversity.

I am not talking about WW here, just kids in general. Maybe a transfer is what is best for Whitney. I am talking about the trend.

I know, I know, society has been saying "society is doomed, just look at the kids today" since the beginning of society.

It seems like this trend applies primarily to basketball though for whatever reason and mainly men's basketball.

 

[only4cy]

This is all about pressure to produce. BF emphasized over and over at the end of the year how much WW had to step up her game for next year. I'm sure he was much more emphatic/direct about it with WW. IMO, she didn't want that much pressure squarely on her shoulders following someone like Aus.

The same thing happened last year with Arlen. BF said many of the same things publicly about relying on her take a much larger role with the team. She bailed.

 

[justcynn]

Good coaches and good leaders have very high expectations, many of the college grads I see these days have a hard time adapting to that. High Expectations and leadership enables the people around you to learn that level of success, Bill Fennelly clearly has the expectations and leadership ability to make his teams successful. I happen to work for a man who as an absolute perfectionist - its frustrating as hell and on bad days I think to myself I don't have to put up with this, but in the end - his expectations and leadership ability make his company the best in our industry and makes me better at what I do. the NCAA is doing a diservice to these young people by allowing them to transfer so easily, sometimes its better to learn how to work harder to TRY and meet the expectations than to bail, you really get it when you realize the expectations will always increase as you start to achieve the original expectations. This is in no way a commentary about WW, I don't have a clue what her reasons are - but I do think its relevant to the situation overall in both men's and women's college basketball.

 

[ISUKyro]

LOL at some of the people that think BF has some issue or is too hard on the players.....
have you ever been to senior day and listened to them speak? If you have you would know that the players mean the world to BF and it goes both ways!

 

[Row55]

... Does anyone see Andrea Riley on a BF team? ... (See 2009-10)

Excellent point.

 

[BoxsterCy]

I hope BF coaches at ISU until he's ready to retire. He's an excellent strategist and game-day coach. He's gotten more out of less than anyone in the country. He's friendly to fans and seems genuinely grateful about his situation, and he's an excellent representative for ISU.

I don't understand how one criticism becomes "coaches who are never right".

You bring a lot to WBB forum here and are entitled to voice a reasonable concern about Bill and some transfers. I got a “how dare you†response to something I posted earlier this season about a former player making a reference to Bill yelling and swearing at her and you would have thought I had called for Bill’s head. I love Bill, the players and the program but I don’t know everything that goes on behind the scenes and I don’t assume that our main man is perfect. I do know he works really hard, loves ISU, loves his players and has brought us a boatload of success. That doesn’t mean I can’t be having a WTF moment when we have a surprise transfer that leaves us with 9 scholarship players with a total of 8 years Division I experience. That experience is something we will miss with Witt being gone regardless of perceived shortcomings in athletic ability. Bolte is our only returning player with more than a year experience at this level. This worries me in spite of Bill’s track record. This is going to be a freshman and sophomore team next year. It would just be a shame not to have some great guard play to go with Prins, Pop, and Z.

 

[twistedredbird]

I for one think BF has been harder on WW than anyone. He rode her hard this year, and some of the looks he gave her were downright nasty with his chin jutting out. As MRed has said, I want BF to retire here. I worship the man. But he could take something out of Geno's book on how to challenge and motivate players without being nasty. As someone who's family is strongly grounded in the Christian faith, as Whitney's is, I can see where some of the things BF says might not rub real well with Whitney's family. She was home schooled for a reason.

Or perhaps we are all wrong in assuming that it was WW decision. Perhaps in her meeting with BF they had a discussion about the future, and both agreed it would be best for her to look elsewhere. Perhaps he has known about this for a while and that is why we are hearing of the JUCO shooter recruits all of a sudden.

I have faith in Fennelly, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with his tactics when he loses his temper and says things I know I wouldn't want any man to say to my child.

 

[CydaGrove]

LOL at some of the people that think BF has some issue or is too hard on the players.....
have you ever been to senior day and listened to them speak? If you have you would know that the players mean the world to BF and it goes both ways!

I remember Weiben didn't really have any glowing remarks.

He is very hard on his players. Some take it better than others, and some can't handle it and transfer.

 

[BenEClone]

I pose a question to the historians. We've had some players transfer in who have started on a better team than they left. Robinette and O'Neil come to mind. Have we ever had a player transfer out who started on a better team than she left? By "better team" I mean in terms of D-1 record or post season success.

 

[theshadow]

I pose a question to the historians. We've had some players transfer in who have started on a better team than they left. Robinette and O'Neil come to mind. Have we ever had a player transfer out who started on a better team than she left? By "better team" I mean in terms of D-1 record or post season success.

Not really.

Most went to mid-major D-1 or dropped down to D-2. None have had any remarkable individual or team success, that I can recall.

 

[justcynn]

I for one think BF has been harder on WW than anyone. He rode her hard this year, and some of the looks he gave her were downright nasty with his chin jutting out. As MRed has said, I want BF to retire here. I worship the man. But he could take something out of Geno's book on how to challenge and motivate players without being nasty. As someone who's family is strongly grounded in the Christian faith, as Whitney's is, I can see where some of the things BF says might not rub real well with Whitney's family. She was home schooled for a reason.

Or perhaps we are all wrong in assuming that it was WW decision. Perhaps in her meeting with BF they had a discussion about the future, and both agreed it would be best for her to look elsewhere. Perhaps he has known about this for a while and that is why we are hearing of the JUCO shooter recruits all of a sudden.

I have faith in Fennelly, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with his tactics when he loses his temper and says things I know I wouldn't want any man to say to my child.

I agree with this, sometimes good leaders use uncoventional tactics - yell and scream and don't always follow the golden rule, great leaders can lead and motivate and never have to raise their voice - their presence, personality and expectations are usually enough to get the job done. BF is a very good leader, Geno is probably great...