ISU vs Iowa POST Nationals Thread
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My buddy explained it to me like this:
Wrestlers are animals. Don't be surprised when they act like it.
If we had what Iowa had, we'd pride ourselves on it. Since we don't, we look for something to pick at.
With Iowa's three wrestlers out, Beatty will never beat Varner, so I'm not counting him because they only gave up 3 at that weight anyway so no change. Erickson and Z wrestling at full strength is a toss-up every time regardless what happened the time before, that's the nature of HWT matches. Dennis not being in the lineup is legit as I think he's better than Fanny, but with us missing Gallick and they won that weight, the missing wrestlers for both teams was really a moot point in today's dual.
As for Long, I don't think you're giving McD enough credit in my opinion. Both are excellent wrestlers but I think McD has a slight edge in ability. I remember seeing McD at State in high school and being blown away with technique. The kid can scramble and maneuver as good as anyone pound for pound. Long gets himself in some tough positions that sometimes doesn't favor him and against McD, has gotten him beat. Long has improved and is on McD's level and I believe he can beat him, but I think McD is and has been the favorite.
You're right about Reader, I think he felt like riding time was a lock and decided to cash it in and then realized too late that it wasn't. No excuse it just can't happen, but I'm positive he can win that match a majority of the time and will at the NCAA's.
About Varner, I just don't like the antics. That is a personal thing with me and everyone is going to see it a different way, for me, its great to have swagger but show it in a way that doesn't demean an opponent. I like athletes with class and Varner has that, just got caught up in the meet with Iowa.
Don't take this as an attack on you, just countering what you're saying.
We know what Brands was like. However, what was Jackson like as a competitor? Did he stoop to the level of Brands as a wrestler? He certainly hasn't so far as a coach.
It won't be long before Jackson's team starts beating them regularly on the mat also.
It won't be long before Jackson's team starts beating them regularly on the mat also.
If the Brands clowns were running ISU's program I'd be all for shutting it down. Those guys are embarrasments.
If he is such a Great Ambassador . . why do most people outside the university of Iowa hate his guts? Heck, he can't even maintain loyalty to his own alma mater. He has never demonstrated an interest in any other wrestling program out of his beloved hawks. You hear it in the way he calls matches.
If he wants to be a Great Ambassador for the sport . . then he needs to step away from his hawks and quit announcing.
I attended ISU when Gable wrestled and saw him wrestle . . he was a Clone then. He lost my respect a long time ago with his animosity towards ISU . . and no amount of rehab will make him my ambassador for the sport. He has promulgated a "win at any cost" attitude that belongs in professional rastlin and Ultimate Fighting . . not the NCAA.
Not taking it as an attack.
I dont believe McD is the better talented of the two. You arent winning a match late in third on back to back occasions by being inferior. He lost those matches because he for one appeared gassed? And when you repeatedly lose to someone it does become a mental thing as much as I would hope it doesnt.
My issue with Reader is he lost all those matches last year to M* the same way he lost todays. Was ahead and lost it in the end. Its something I thought he had gotten past and it showing up again is concerning. Not only that but he had M* intially stopped on his attack. Had him way over extended. I dont understand how someone as talented as Reader gives up that takedown when he was in the better position initially.
I wish Varner wouldnt have done it as well. Especially since we were losing. My point was its a mentality that they breed in Iowa and it appears cocky and arrogant and it is.... But its also a we are better than you and we are proving it. And they do it again and again. Same as Varner..... Just think he wanted them to know that hes not backing down and not afraid of them. And the three guys Iowa had wrestling were back ups. You might think it isnt that big of a deal but it is. Ereckson is a dang good HWT and if he is in good wrestling shape and healthy when he gets back is a legit National title contender. Both back ups are not. Dennis has never lost to fanthorpe so we have a six point swing their. it makes the outcome today even uglier if you throw in their injured and thats what made today so frustrating.
If Brands was running the ISU program they would have back to back national championships.
You probably all ready knew that.
I would rather lose with class than have a program that wins with the crap they pull. Now if we were talking football or basketball I would be a little more accepting of some antics. But the whole JO thing is stupid. If this happened during a football game or basketball game, there would be a form of punishment handed down by the NCAA. But since it is in the "obscure" sport of wrestling nothing will happen.
By obscure, I mean the majority of college athletics that give a rats *** about wrestling. I am proud to be a season ticket holder of ISU wrestling and if our wrestlers acted like the Iowa wrestlers today, I would not renew my season tickets. After all, there are kids who go to the meets (my son included). Imagine Gilstrap after his dunk yesterday in the NDSU game making the same gesture. No thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you even follow wrestling nationwide. I for one dont much care for the man either but he is active in trying to add or keep wrestling programs alive at colleges. He writes huge checks to IPTV to keep wrestling brodcasted. He is said that having the ISU v. Iowa rivalry is very important for wrestling and was extremely disappointed when Cael left. In hindsight it might have helped the rivalry some with KJ as a coach.
Look . . he is a little "johnny come lately" isn't he? Where was he after he left Iowa? Building his museum? Hanging out at Iowa??
Here is an undeniable FACT . . Iowa has dominated the sport for so long . . people have quit watching.
If you like Iowa dominating this niche sport great . . but I am sick of it.
You know what TarHeel, you are the exact reason that most Cyclone cant F****** stand you Hawks. You could care less about having class and not winning vs being classless and still brag about your team. I buy season tickets for ISU wrestling and would stop immediately if they brought this guy in. He is an arrogant piece of s*** and would rather lose every meet than have this guy be our coach!
