I hear ya, but Metcalf was WAY out of line today.
And WT* Gable..was he serious today. There being bias and then there's his announcing, it was terrible
ISU vs Iowa POST Nationals Thread
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I hear ya, but Metcalf was WAY out of line today.
And WT* Gable..was he serious today. There being bias and then there's his announcing, it was terrible
I dont want to pump sunshine so Im not going to. This is not a passing grade at all. If we cant beat Iowa when they have three starters out then how do you expect to ever beat them. This SHOULD have been an ISU victory and guarantee the ISU coaches think the same thing. yes we have Gallick out. Well they have 3 very good wrestlers out of their line up.
Long is equally if not more talented than his Iowa counterpart. He has gassed or lost his mental toughness in the end of all those matches. He may have wrestled him closer than the first time but not the second. He had nice leads in the last two. And he lost the same way. Mcd gets a shot off and Long has him stopped and the kid crawls back up and finishes the take down. KJ made that statement after his midlands finals and nothing changed in that short time frame.
Reader I think didnt realize he was going to lose, I think he thought it was going to OT. How does that happen???? Seriously?? I really think he has a solid chance at winning a National title in a stacked weight class but this is a match where he is the better wrestler and needs to win it every time.
I dont know whats going on with Burke. I had high hopes for him a year ago but he hasnt improved much. Looked better at the beginning of the year but has possible regressed some since he beat the kid from Illinois at Midlands.
We lost almost every close match........ We won Wards. Lost 125, 157, 165. all matches that were winnable and tightly contended matches.
On a bright note I do think that Mitch and Ward have shown a ton of improvement. Mitch may finally be believing he is capable of some pretty good things. Ward has as much potential as anyone anywhere and it appears he is seeing it.
I wish Varner wouldnt have did what he did at the end but Metcalf walked off the mat acting like he was jerking it. And the Brands run around pointing and raising heck and we do one thing and we think its terrible.
Jake is the one wrestler who has the attitude right. maybe he should have walked off the mat in a different fashion but hes the best in his weight class and part of that is his mental approach. And if that comes off cocky sometimes so be it. Iowa appears cocky right??? Well you know what they are the best. And that mentality doesnt hurt keeping them the best. Ill probably get attacked for that one buts its the truth.
Varner's thing wasn't that bad, but I am the type who thinks "you won, just get off the mat" if you want to celebrate, cry, complain, whatever, do it your lockerroom not on the mat. Period.
As for the "we're the best so we can do whatever" (I know it isn't word-for-word what you said but it was the gist I got), have you ever seen USC do something like jacking off on the field after a win? Me either....
my opinion-
if we won the way they do and we acted like them, not many on here would have a problem with it. wrestlers are a different breed. we are classless ******** for the most part. you want to not only dominate your oponent, but rub his face in it while doing it.
if we won the way they do and we acted like them, not many on here would have a problem with it. wrestlers are a different breed. we are classless ******** for the most part. you want to not only dominate your oponent, but rub his face in it while doing it.
Let's make sure that we are giving Varner no mercy for stooping to their level. A few of the posts have said things like, "but Iowa does ___________." So what? He shouldn't have done it and KJ should make sure he gets the message.
If true, then we have already lost our moral authority to say anything critical of their behavior. I retain mine and dish it out as deserved to anyone. I'm not better-than-thou because I have taken the blame for what I have done wrong many times. Let's maintain standards of classiness, as well as athletic excellence.
i'm sorry but they don't typically go hand in hand when it comes to this sport. i completely understand where you are coming from, but it's never been that way, and likely won't. iowa has been cocky since i was a kid-and guess what-they have been winning since i was a kid. they get the best, most dominant wrestlers that haven't ever really been beaten, so they expect to win and deep down believe they are better then everyone else. i wish we could get some of that nasty on our team
This is a completely asinine comment. Dan Gable is one of the great ambassadors for this sport and does all he can to get more interest in it. Is he a great commentator? No, but he does provide great insight on what the wrestlers are doing wrong. Dan Gable is great for the sport and one of the greatest Cyclone wrestlers ever.
The jerking it thing was out of line. But I am talking about the mental part of it. Its the attitude that the Iowa team carries themselves with. Its that attitude and mental toughness that helps them win those close matches. Its that attitude that has helped them win back to back titles. Do you honestly think we are out talented at all those weights..... I for one do not. Reader is by far the better of the two technically. Long is just as good as his counterpart but has lost all three.
I said I wish Jake would have walked off in a different manner. Buts its an attitude. he wants to let Iowa know that they dont get to him. Its a mental toughness he has. IM not saying you are the best so you can act like that.... Im saying a lot of the times the best have that quality... its more of a confidence. yes sometimes it goes above and beyond and i hate the freak show that Iowa has going on in their corner but I understand it from a competitors stand point. They are emotionally in the match and it carries over to much sometimes. I guess my point is....... Its an attitude that breeds success. It may be cocky and arrogant but winning those close matches are contagious. And gives you a mental edge. One that Iowa definetly has.
This team has improved and I think KJ is a better coach than Cael. KJ has 2 months to get these guys ready for Nationals. ISU has enough guns to get the job done. I like the improvement that Mueller and Ward have made. With a little luck and a lot of hard work it will come together in March
agree 100%. he is a horrible announcer though, and that is magnified when he tries to do this matchup
I do think Gable is a great ambassador of wrestling.. Great!!! But you have to tell he is not impartial during his commentating. He doesnt mention Metcalfs motion at the end of his match but he does Varners.
Nastiness and classiness aren't mutually exclusive. See Kevin Jackson. I want our guys to be more like him, not Brands!
we're arguing semantics here. read cyclone1306 post about it. he hits it on the head what i'm trying to say. bottom line, i think it's more jealosy out of our fans then anything else-they just have our number in those close matches and it is 100% attitude.
It's possible he didn't see it. I was paying attention and didn't see it at all. Varner's was quite obvious. Neither of them should've have done anything but you also have to remember Varner's little breaking action after the last dual. They're both national champs and need to win with class.
I would like a further explanation of the "athletic excellence" part of your quote above.
