There NIL money is not public, because the university doesn’t pay it. When the university has to start paying the athletes, it will probably be under contract employee regulations, not full time employees. Whatever applies in that situation, I am sure will be made available, but it still will not include their privately paid NIL deals they make outside of their compensation.
Williams & Blum: Recapping a crazy 10 days
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you are correct that the terms itself do not get disclosed but we know basically what the players salaries are
Drop it to around 10. Sue us, NCAA
I get it, you’re thinking of college athletics of last century.
Yes, he’s kept the train down going down the same track. Not much steering, but keeping it running. That’s better than stopping or crashing, if you think so lowly of Iowa State in which you think that’s the other outcome.
His best attribute is being well intentioned, wanting to succeed here, and the consistency and relationships that come from no regime change. The train not crashing.
But due to the long looming realignment/disruptions as college athletics burst out of the seams of amateurism, success is singularly measured by closing the revenue and brand gap.
We’d be in the same place we are with him- in peril come 2032 and/or if the Big 12 does not outlast the ACC, bottom of the Big 12 in funding, one of the few in the conference not able to fully fund revenue sharing despite $15+ million in growth from conference payouts in the last 10 years, etc
When **** hits the fan in the next 5 to 7 years, he’ll have been at ISU a quarter century. Over 1/3 the time it’s even been Iowa State University, and over half the time it’s been big business (TV rights escalation). It was a formidable challenge, but what we are, and what we’re not, is largely on the leadership during that time.
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Yeah if we arent hitting the 23 million, we are completely screwed going forward.
They need to find it. If they can't, it's a leadership failure. It exists. Maybe less assistant ADs? Maybe streamline some of the operations?
There's a reason NFL facilities are less impressive than NCAA P5.
When you have to pay the players for their labor, you don't spend so much on dumb ****
They need to find it. If they can't, it's a leadership failure. It exists. Maybe less assistant ADs? Maybe streamline some of the operations?
There's a reason NFL facilities are less impressive than NCAA P5.
When you have to pay the players for their labor, you don't spend so much on dumb ****
Problem is we're already trying to push a relatively limited AD to compete with schools with a lot more money, so we're already running pretty efficiently. The "just cut sports" or "reduce support staff" ideas are easy to throw around, but there are limits to what you can do there and stay competitive also. Going off those two ideas, if you cut the lowest 2 sports (most you can cut to stay at NCAA level under current rules) and ALL of the support staff, we would be just about right at the money we need for paying players. Good luck keeping Campbell around when he has to drive the bus for away games and keep the team back after home games to clean up the stadium.
This is 100% correct. We have to do whatever it takes to get to the max or drop down a level.
There are going to be very difficult conversations that take place, but if we’re not at that max-spend-on-athletes level, we’re the Sacramento Athletics, who’s only solution to remain an MLB team was to move.
Part of me wonders if the solution is to just give up competing with the B1G and SEC. Just let them break off and have a semipro football league. I don't know. Hard to see a way forward from a recruiting standpoint when every big 10 school around us will have 23 million to throw around and we won't.
You don’t cut the lowest sports, you cut the sports with the highest operational costs that don’t drive revenue.
I’m honestly not sure what those are. But I think people might want to buckle up if one of them is wrestling. If it’s a matter of getting to the max of the cap or wrestling, that’s a tough choice that needs to be made.
Also, freakin start selling alcohol at the games. That one isn’t even a tough decision.
WBB is never getting cut at ISU, or elsewhere for that matter
but yeah those volleyball matches in Arizona and track meets in California are a killer on the expenses
A few things I would argue.
First, the cost of coaching, developing and training the athlete is a direct benefit to the athlete so I would include on top of the $15M. I would also include the cost of putting on and traveling to the athletic event as a direct cost that benefits the student athlete.
Second, football and to a lesser extend MBB have subsidized all the other men's and women's sport teams. Not by choice, but by law (Title IX) going back 50+ years. So until there is clarity on the House Agreement and possible NIL guardrails, Athletic Directors are in a difficult spot. They don't want to drop non-revenue sports until they can or have to.
Third, the $22M is 1/6 of Iowa State's athletic budget- so not chump change. It's going to require Athletic Directors and Coaches to re-think whats important at a school like Iowa State from a coaches salaries, support coach staffing levels, facility investment and overhead costs.
In the end, everything will be OK. But in the short-term things will be messy. It's like trying to turn an aircraft carrier 90 degrees.
This is helpful. So seems the answer there is to either cut M&W TF or volleyball + wrestling. Either would save about $4M.
About a $500K difference in favor of the latter. But those sports mean more at ISU so may be better to keep them.
EDIT: I only looked at cutting one men’s and one women’s sport here to satisfy Title IX regulations and maintain the minimum number of sports needed
The one part you are omitting is Title IX. That is VERY real in every decision Athletic Directors make about where to spend money AND how much!
Wait lol... does the NFL, MLB, or NBA include those costs in their CBA? I'm genuinely asking.
I would rather see the NCAA/B12 cut requirements that all sports be in the same conference. Let the non-revenue sports compete in geographic leagues with minimal travel costs.
It would be A LOT of work for $599 transactions to add up to $500,000!
The $600 threshold is an IRS requirement for non-employee income. Gotta file a specific 1099.
Plus the $600 isn't at a transaction level, its at a vendor level. So if Rocco would work with a marketing firm to travel around Iowa signing autographs. It's the aggregate business he does with that marketing firm.
1000% Make the Big12 a football and basketball league. There is already precedent with the Missouri Valley so I don't see why you can't.
Join the MVC or the Summit league for the rest of the non-rev sports. Does West Virginia volleyball really care about playing BYU volleyball. Those are crazy flights and a huge time commitment. Would only benefit these student athletes and reduce travel cost substantially.
